The Walking Dead ***please use SPOILER tags***

[mjs9153]

It's been well over a year. Personally I'm surprised whenever they actually find something because every store and every house would have been emptied out by now. People don't take what they need...they take everything they can get their hands on.

I dunno,Morgan from season one and three I think was able to amass quite the armory..it's a math thing really,I forget the percentage of people who died off,but it was supposed to be massive,and when you consider how huge this country is and the amounts of stuff out there,should be lots left..

 

[skimom2]

I forgot about the pigs. I've also forgotten the source of that virus that the pigs and people in the prison died from It was different than the zombie virus everyone already has, wasn't it? I didn't watch the past episodes when they were marathoned. I might should watch them next time around.

Just a flu virus gone nuts (shades of The Stand). According to Hershel, pigs & people can pass those viruses back & forth.

 

[Lepplady]

I dunno,Morgan from season one and three I think was able to amass quite the armory..it's a math thing really,I forget the percentage of people who died off,but it was supposed to be massive,and when you consider how huge this country is and the amounts of stuff out there,should be lots left..

That guy shot himself, right?

 

[skimom2]

That guy shot himself, right?

Nope. He just stayed in whatever the heck town Rick is from.

I checked out The Walking Dead survivors' guide today, and found out that my memory of the books is SO unreliable! I need to re-read them all, methinks. I thought a ton of people dead who are still alive (in the comics) *smdh*

 

[Cowboy]

Yeah, from what I understand, they are changing it up quite a bit and really keeping the book readers on their toes.

 

[Lepplady]

Nope. He just stayed in whatever the heck town Rick is from.

I checked out The Walking Dead survivors' guide today, and found out that my memory of the books is SO unreliable! I need to re-read them all, methinks. I thought a ton of people dead who are still alive (in the comics) *smdh*

So HE could show up and rescue them all from Terminus.

 

[arista]

So HE could show up and rescue them all from Terminus.

That would be so awesome!!

 

[Ebdim9th]

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He'd also be disturbed enough to kidnap Beth thinking he was doing her some good, not knowing about Daryl and Rick's connection... The Termites are definitely cannibals; people in boxes, yelling for help, fresh stripped human bones in a pile... oh yeah. I like that Rick put the hat on Beth's head and joked 'there's a new sheriff in town' I like Beth quite a bit for her Pollyanna bounce back from the land of self-pitying suicide. People are always dying suddenly and unfairly in the Walking Dead world. I don't think it's at all out of line storywise to have Joe and the Merletones go out like that and at that time. Now we have, gathered together in that boxcar, The RickTones!

 

[mjs9153]

That guy shot himself, right?

No,I believe he was left alive and kicking,and who knows,he may get out of the bunker mentality..could he arrive in time, and save our intrepid superhero's next season? Tune in,in October,my friends..
haha,I posted this before reading the thread,I see other folks are thinking the same way..I really liked Morgan,and his grief and anger,hope they bring him back..

 

[Lepplady]

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He'd also be disturbed enough to kidnap Beth thinking he was doing her some good, not knowing about Daryl and Rick's connection... The Termites are definitely cannibals; people in boxes, yelling for help, fresh stripped human bones in a pile... oh yeah. I like that Rick put the hat on Beth's head and joked 'there's a new sheriff in town' I like Beth quite a bit for her Pollyanna bounce back from the land of self-pitying suicide. People are always dying suddenly and unfairly in the Walking Dead world. I don't think it's at all out of line storywise to have Joe and the Merletones go out like that and at that time. Now we have, gathered together in that boxcar, The RickTones!

That hat trick might nave been a hint.

 

[Mr Nobody]

Ebdim9th - I reckon we're going to have to agree to disagree on one point, there. They did the right thing, more or less, but got the pacing wrong. IMO, it was a bit "...and this happened and this and this and this. And then, suddenly..."
I've also got a problem with the 'method of delivery'.

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TV and film always makes throat-slitting look easy. It isn't. There's lots of sinew, muscle and gristle to get through. Just using your teeth...man. Uncooked skin is tough by nature. It has to be. Rick'd need teeth and jaws like a bloody wolf to put that kind of bite on someone so quickly and easily. Easier by far to butt the bridge of Joe's nose, hoof him in the happy sacs as he reels backwards, give him a quick kick to the inside/back of his knee, then wrench his head around (that also takes more effort than is often depicted, but it's more plausible. Whether it's as bad-ass is debatable). The whole move would take seconds, as it's fluid action - bish, bash, bosh, done.

 

[arista]

I really want Carol and Tyreese to come with guns blazing and rescue the gang. Baby Judith might just to have to hang around for bit. The guy who plays Gareth looks like he could be part of Google.

 

[Mr Nobody]

CAROL sneaks into Terminus. WOMAN (Denise Crosby) is preparing the next meal, whistling as she works. (Tune: "You Don't Bring Me Flowers Anymore")

(Best I could come up with on the fly.)

 

[skimom2]

Ebdim9th - I reckon we're going to have to agree to disagree on one point, there. They did the right thing, more or less, but got the pacing wrong. IMO, it was a bit "...and this happened and this and this and this. And then, suddenly..."
I've also got a problem with the 'method of delivery'.

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TV and film always makes throat-slitting look easy. It isn't. There's lots of sinew, muscle and gristle to get through. Just using your teeth...man. Uncooked skin is tough by nature. It has to be. Rick'd need teeth and jaws like a bloody wolf to put that kind of bite on someone so quickly and easily. Easier by far to butt the bridge of Joe's nose, hoof him in the happy sacs as he reels backwards, give him a quick kick to the inside/back of his knee, then wrench his head around (that also takes more effort than is often depicted, but it's more plausible. Whether it's as bad-ass is debatable). The whole move would take seconds, as it's fluid action - bish, bash, bosh, done.

My daughter and I were just talking about that!

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Slitting a throat is much more difficult than it looks on TV/movies (and getting shot in the shoulder is more serious than TV/movies tell the watcher, too. Big clump of veins, arteries, nerves, major joint... *sigh*). I was thinking about the bite; though it might not have been as quick as shown, speed and jaw pressure might make it barely possible. Maybe. In the comic, it didn't say anything about ripping out the esophagus--the thought there was that Rick got the cartoid artery. Problem there is the large tendons on the sides of the neck that protect the big arteries & veins that go to/from the brain. *Sigh again*

SUSPENSION OF DISBELIEF IS THE ANSWER! lol

 

[Mr Nobody]

SUSPENSION OF DISBELIEF IS THE ANSWER! lol

Yep. OK, we're there already just because the show is what it is...but you can go too far. (I was sitting there, rapt, and then it came to 'The Moment' and I actually said "Oh [flip] right off!" - to which the gf said "I don't know why you watch the crap anyway" - and never mind the fact that she was actually watching right along with me. She doesn't get that, despite the odd mis-step and 'WTF?' moment, it's still one of the best things on TV right now.)

 

[Lepplady]

A nose-butt and knee to the groin is a better way to go about it, but it isn't as GRUESOME! Part of the point wasn't just to kill Joe and get Rick free, it was for him to fully embrace what he's capable of. Yes, we, see, he IS capable of ripping a man's throat out with his teeth.
And even if it wasn't a lethal bite, it certainly would have made Joe let go. So it's not THAT far outside the realm of possibility.

 

[Lepplady]

Nobody's talking about what happened to Carl. How far did baldy go? Any violation is beyond imaginable, and he's going to have to live with that forever. But just how far it went might come up in future episodes.

 

[skimom2]

In the comic, it was a close thing but no actual molestation. Who knows how they'll handle it in the show, though.

 

[Ebdim9th]

Mr.Nobody.. I think it was meant to echo the Governor biting off Merle's fingers... walking the edge of what the Governor could have been versus what he was.... also it didn't look to me like Rick killed the guy with the watch like Talking Dead said he did (a miscommunication there?), and it very much looked like to me like Carl didn't actually get molested.... he was struggling too hard for that...

 

[Mr Nobody]

@ Ebdin9th - See, I didn't buy that, either. Sure, it's gruesome, but it's not believable.
And it's right around then that people go "Oh, and zombies are?", but that's the point: in that world, they are. What isn't is all the gnashing through bone, tendons, muscle and what-not. It's like Lepplady said, those bits are all about being gruesome, and it's a pretty cheap trick because it's a simple gross-out. I know the 18-24 mob might be there going "Whoa, man, did you see that sh!t?" over Twitter or FB or whatever, but...

@ Lepplady - That's the thing. Joe didn't react at all, and realistically, he would have, most likely by pushing Rick away and laying into him. Rick's best bet by far was to stick the nut on and take control, rather than risk having the badass manoeuvre backfire on him (which it should have, because humans lack the bite strength to do what he did). So, as above, I agree it was all about gruesomeness. It just didn't ring true (and we saw how much of a badass he could be very shortly afterwards - entirely understandably. Putting the bite on Joe and doing that risked turning him into an animal, alienating him to a degree from the audience. Going medieval on Carl's would-be molester alone, while extreme, would have most of us going 'Yep, good lad, sort the SoaB').

BUT...it's all moot really, isn't it? Done bun can't be undone, and all that. And as I said, I'll still be there at the start of next season and hoping for the boxsets at Christmas. Quite how they're going to get out the boxcar situation, I don't know. Someone's bound to cop for it early on. I just hope they don't have Rick doing his best Jaws (James Bond, not the shark) impression again.