Ohio Killer Executed With New Drug

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  1. kingricefan
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    kingricefan All-being, keeper of Space, Time & Dimension.

    Instead of 'STOP! Hammer time!' it's 'Busey time'!! :lol:
  2. Angelo Bottigliero
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    Angelo Bottigliero Well-Known Member

    We don't have the deathsentance here in my country. But I would vote for it in a heartbeat. Some crimes you just don't deserve to walk away from. I have a 5 yo daughter, if I catch some perv messing around with her, he deserves to die. Gruesomly. And slowly. "But that makes you no better than the man you are executing". Wrong. He traumatized/raped/killed an innocent child, whereas I am removing a dangerous piece of **** from society while making sure he regrets his actions with every last scream. There's your difference.
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    GNTLGNT Idiot in Situ and Unholy Devourer of Cookies

    ...and he looks like he's had the two drug cocktail forever!....
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  4. Lisey Landon
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    I was not trying to excuse anyone, my point was that violence leads to more violence.
    And I also think we need agree to disagree, to get to some kind of agreement in this case, we would need a lot of time, me thinks! ;)
    And, after all, how interesting would the world be if everyone agreed on everything? I am not here to fight or get in fights, so all I have to say is: Peace
  5. Walter Oobleck
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    Walter Oobleck keeps coming back...or going, and going, and going

    Yes...unpunished violence leads to more unpunished violence. Equating punishment with violence is wrong, defending the innocent and punishing the guilty is good. Not punishing the guilty is wrong. Bleed them out. If one's feelings are hurt that someone with no redeeming qualities should be put to death, then lay him gently on a table, have the attendant put him to sleep as if for surgery, stick a needle in his arm, and drain his blood. He never awakes and the world is rid of a danger to society.
  6. Lisey Landon
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    Lisey Landon Well-Known Member

    Everyone is entitled to their opinion, that includes you and also me.
    Peace Mr. Oobleck.
  7. Walter Oobleck
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    Walter Oobleck keeps coming back...or going, and going, and going

    You bet. And this is what I know: time and again I read about honest citizens, innocents, going about their lives only to be either threatened with harm or harmed by criminals who should be locked up. They are not. They are free to walk among us. All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others. I don't believe that the animals that are allowed to walk among us should be allowed to do that. One way to accomplish that is to punish the wrong-doer. As I said before, we have a system of prison in the States called Max. They are such because they house those who have been locked away, far from any guns, and yet they have continued to kill. All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others. Woe unto them who call evil good and good evil. And as you pointed out, only my opinion. But if we as a society wish to continue to function we need to get our head on straight.
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    Many violent criminals came from very well-to-do families. Maybe they are sick. Maybe they are spoiled beyond all belief. I don 't actually care which. They had enough sanity to plot and plan and try to cover up. So they should NEVER EVER be allowed in the general public again. EVER. And we are not talking about your average criminal. We are talking about a very small percent.

    Tim Bosma murder suspects back in court Jan. 30 - Hamilton - CBC News

    The guy charged with this murder owned an airplane. And a hangar.

    We don't have the death penalty here, but right now many would vote for it. But regardless he should NEVER EVER be allowed out in society again.
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    This might seem like a tangent, but it isn't.

    Imagine someone murdered your grandparents, parents, brothers, sisters, cousins, aunts, uncles,teachers, school friends, nodding acquaintances.
    Imagine thousands of people were involved in the train of events, leading to their murder.
    http://www.ushmm.org/m/pdfs/20121130-resp-ex-worksheet.pdf (yes, I know this is for students, but it's worth a look)
    But most of them were never arrested, never confessed.
    Never caught.
    Never within spitting distance of the death penalty.

    Nearly every Jew alive (including me )is related to someone who died in the Shoah.
    Thousands of people were involved in every stage of the process - from taking away their citizenship to taking away their lives.


    I'm guessing that most people in the US are OK with the death penalty.
    And I understand why.
    The desire for justice is just one reason.
    A need for closure is another.

    But I know there isn't always justice.
    And I know that, sometimes, there is no closure.
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    kingricefan All-being, keeper of Space, Time & Dimension.

    (((rudiroo))) I can't imagine what horrors Jewish people went thru during the Holocaust. How utterly horrible. Seeing films like Schindler's List or Sophie's Choice is one thing, but to actually have lived (if you were lucky, I guess) is another. Such a shameful period in human history.
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    GNTLGNT Idiot in Situ and Unholy Devourer of Cookies

    ...well stated rudi....
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  12. no bounce no play
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    Texas is a death-penalty state and I'm ok with that, BUT... if a suitable substitute for sodium pentothal cannot be found, I think we need to halt executions until a better substitute can be found. Sodium pentothal is/was the first of three drugs given in lethal injections - it renders a person completely unconscious and insensitive to pain.

    Dennis McGuire was the first person to be executed using a substitute for sodium pentothal. The substitute does not seem to have worked well. His family watched him die in pain while the second and third drugs did their deed. No matter how horrible a person he was or how much he deserved to suffer, his family should not have had to witness that... imho.
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    GNTLGNT Idiot in Situ and Unholy Devourer of Cookies

    ..."die in pain"?...I doubt it, the Dilaudid would have avoided that....and the move is to even more openness in executions...from the moment the condemned is wheeled into the death chamber, and the execution team goes about it's grim business....as an RN, I have an issue with the "angels of death" being "fronted out" like that...and it's RN's who have been tasked with the duty, doctors avoid it "because of their oath"...but it's OK for us as nurses to ignore ours?????....
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    no bounce no play I am Borg

    That ain't right :(
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    no bounce no play I am Borg

    Frankly, I think it should be the State governor who does the deed.
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