Re: We're with the government, we're here to help you.
Originally Posted by CorbinKale
People do not become Police by accident. They actively seek a job where they are GIVEN authority over their fellow citizens. Their whole career and pension depends on a steady supply of 'criminals'. They are not concerned with your guilt or innocence. Instead, they are interested in placing you into the system that feeds them.
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You sure are quick to pass judgement on the 1,000,000,000 (est.) men and women who are in the profession of law enforcement in the United States.
I will be the first to tell you that there are good and bad cops. But we don't all become cops because we have visions of being some type of Nazi jackbooted thug. Incidentally nobody GIVES us the authority. You earn it and it isn't easy nor something that you take on light heartedly.
The hiring process I went through lasted approximately seven months.
There was an extensive background investigation, polygraph exam, psychological exam, several written exams, an interview with the Chief of Police, an interview with the detective who conducted my background investigation and a physical fitness test. Once I started working I had a four month in-house training period where I was accompanied by a veteran officer who both evaluated and trained me. Many a a new officer fails the Field Training Phase. I also had to attend a ten week police academy which washes people out. And of course the first year one is one probation one can be let go for no reason except that one isn't working out.
Also in the past eight years I've seen bad cops go to prison, get fired, have criminal charges brought against them or resign because of stupidity.Strangely enough the system that so many seem ready to bring down with blood and thunder worked and got those bad apples out of the barrel.
I've also seen good cops get sued for doing their job and doing it properly.I've had complaints filed on me just because I showed up somebody's front door to ask them questions in connection to an investigation I was conducting.
That article by CNN is more telling for what it does not say then what it does say. The person who most of the talking is the mayor and his wife. The same folks who had the search warrant served on them. It isn't unusual for the suspect(s) to state that they are as pure as the driven snow while the cops were out of control and criminal in their action. Exactly how close were they really to their dead dogs? Two feet or thirty feet?
That is a typical article from the news media in which the defendants get a soap box and the police don't have much chance to say anything. After eight years I've seen more than a few of these type of articles in the press.
Has the Federal Government launched a probe into this incident? Does anyone know if perhaps the good mayor and/or his family might be involved with a criminal enterprise. Can anyone say that those two dogs weren't actually attacking the officers? You're only getting one side of the story in that article.
If the deputies were wrong, criminal or negligent then so be it.
The few times we've had to shoot and kill dogs it's because they have either been attacking people or were going after an officer or a citizen. However I'm sure the owners would be very willing to tell you that the shootings were unjustified and criminal. Typically those owners were not responsible pet owners and were cited afterwards as well. SO
You have a very strong ideological stand. This is the United States and I'm a big fan of the Constitution. Especially the first ten amendments. But I thought perhaps the other side should be heard from as well since this thread was starting to seem like a punching bag session with my profession getting pummeled.
However it is not my intention or desire to start a flame war. Please don't interpret this reply as a flame. I'll be glad to continue this discussion also.
Re: We're with the government, we're here to help you.
Originally Posted by Checkman
You sure are quick to pass judgement on the 1,000,000,000 (est.) men and women who are in the profession of law enforcement in the United States.
I will be the first to tell you that there are good and bad cops. But we don't all become cops because we have visions of being some type of Nazi jackbooted thug. Incidentally nobody GIVES us the authority. You earn it and it isn't easy nor something that you take on light heartedly.
The hiring process I went through lasted approximately seven months.
There was an extensive background investigation, polygraph exam, psychological exam, several written exams, an interview with the Chief of Police, an interview with the detective who conducted my background investigation and a physical fitness test. Once I started working I had a four month in-house training period where I was accompanied by a veteran officer who both evaluated and trained me. Many a a new officer fails the Field Training Phase. I also had to attend a ten week police academy which washes people out. And of course the first year one is one probation one can be let go for no reason except that one isn't working out.
Also in the past eight years I've seen bad cops go to prison, get fired, have criminal charges brought against them or resign because of stupidity.Strangely enough the system that so many seem ready to bring down with blood and thunder worked and got those bad apples out of the barrel.
I've also seen good cops get sued for doing their job and doing it properly.I've had complaints filed on me just because I showed up somebody's front door to ask them questions in connection to an investigation I was conducting.
That article by CNN is more telling for what it does not say then what it does say. The person who most of the talking is the mayor and his wife. The same folks who had the search warrant served on them. It isn't unusual for the suspect(s) to state that they are as pure as the driven snow while the cops were out of control and criminal in their action. Exactly how close were they really to their dead dogs? Two feet or thirty feet?
That is a typical article from the news media in which the defendants get a soap box and the police don't have much chance to say anything. After eight years I've seen more than a few of these type of articles in the press.
Has the Federal Government launched a probe into this incident? Does anyone know if perhaps the good mayor and/or his family might be involved with a criminal enterprise. Can anyone say that those two dogs weren't actually attacking the officers? You're only getting one side of the story in that article.
If the deputies were wrong, criminal or negligent then so be it.
The few times we've had to shoot and kill dogs it's because they have either been attacking people or were going after an officer or a citizen. However I'm sure the owners would be very willing to tell you that the shootings were unjustified and criminal. Typically those owners were not responsible pet owners and were cited afterwards as well. SO
You have a very strong ideological stand. This is the United States and I'm a big fan of the Constitution. Especially the first ten amendments. But I thought perhaps the other side should be heard from as well since this thread was starting to seem like a punching bag session with my profession getting pummeled.
However it is not my intention or desire to start a flame war. Please don't interpret this reply as a flame. I'll be glad to continue this discussion also.
No flame wars. We are a civil group. I will reply in a PM. I look forward to the discussion.
Re: We're with the government, we're here to help you.
I'm with Checkman on this one. Perhaps I'm being naive, but the first person I'd turn to if I were in serious trouble would be a police officer. I've only ever met the reasonable kind.
Re: We're with the government, we're here to help you.
Originally Posted by MrsSmeej
I'm with Checkman on this one. Perhaps I'm being naive, but the first person I'd turn to if I were in serious trouble would be a police officer. I've only ever met the reasonable kind.
AWMSS (And what Mrs. Smeej Said). If you're naive so am I; let's raise a glass to naivete.
Re: We're with the government, we're here to help you.
Thanks guys. There is a joke in law enforcement that says if you wanted to be loved you should have been a firefighter. Firefighters like another joke. Goes like this.
"What do cops and firefighters both have in common?"
"They both wanted to be firefighters when they were kids."
They both get big laughs, but the reality is I and most of my fellow officers understand that our job is one that isn't always popular with folks. But I often hear more negative statements and insults instead of words of appreciation.
Re: We're with the government, we're here to help you.
If you are liable to be called for Jury Duty, you owe it to yourself and your fellow citizens to be familiar with the responsibility. Here is what the government, not only won't tell you, but will almost certainly lie to you about.
If you ever find yourself as a defendant in Court, pray that at least one of the twelve who are deciding your fate have educated themselves on the subject.
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Re: We're with the government, we're here to help you.
Originally Posted by CorbinKale
We are a civil group. I will reply in a PM. I look forward to the discussion.
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