Your thoughts about Steve's essay

[~Ally~]

Okay, for once I'm going to be the sensible one here and say is there really any point in posting swamp's opinions since (s)he obviously has no desire to engage in civilised discussion? Every reply has been dismissive and insulting without actually displaying any valid point, or even a real opinion. If they don't know what they're trying to say about this tragedy and what they believe happened then how the heck are we supposed to know what they expect in response? Swamp you're just going round in circles and frankly doing my head in now! Time to stop reading your posts methinks. I thought this thread would be interesting but you've killed it for me. Bravo.

*Yes, I respect I have no right to suggest this, but surely a new thread could be opened for Swamp to bounce off the walls in regarding what did(n't) happen?*

[Sepia and Dust]

I don't agree with it, but I can understand that. Not having a registry is one of the things that hampers the ability of law enforcement to do what it needs to do when they don't have resources available to them. People are asking for gun laws to be better enforced but don't want to give them the tools to do it. Sort of the not in my backyard kind of thinking is how it comes across to me.

But I also agree with Ms. Mod that that is very NIMBY thinking. And also, the horse is already out of that particular barn.

I'm strongly of the opinion that making law enforcement's job easier is never a good reason, on its own, to do anything. After the reactive politics to the murders dies down, if we--as a nation--decide that we want stricter gun controls, then that's what we'll have, but it needs to be done in a way that doesn't erode our fundamental rights.

I don't see what possible good a big ole list is going to do, though. Really, what would they use it for? To find out if the notorious criminal Joe Schmoe is armed? They should just assume that he's armed. Maybe it could be used if Joe goes to prison or if he's institutionalized to make sure that he doesn't have firearms waiting for him when he gets home, but vanishingly few of the people on the list would ever commit violent crimes or have a mental break. So I don't really see much point to a national registry of firearms.

Better would be a national registry of crazy people who, somewhere down the line, forgot that murdering people is wrong.

[fushingfeef]

Okay, for once I'm going to be the sensible one here and say is there really any point in posting swamp's opinions since (s)he obviously has no desire to engage in civilised discussion? Every reply has been dismissive and insulting without actually displaying any valid point, or even a real opinion. If they don't know what they're trying to say about this tragedy and what they believe happened then how the heck are we supposed to know what they expect in response? Swamp you're just going round in circles and frankly doing my head in now! Time to stop reading your posts methinks. I thought this thread would be interesting but you've killed it for me. Bravo.

*Yes, I respect I have no right to suggest this, but surely a new thread could be opened for Swamp to bounce off the walls in regarding what did(n't) happen?*

Ally, just do what I did. Click on the "ignore this member" button.

[Todash]

No, they just didn't report it the way you want to believe it. Your questions regarding inconsistencies have been answered time and again. One of the problems with the instant gratification news reporting style that has become the norm of today as each network vies for scooping another is that it doesn't allow for all the information to be sorted out so that in the confusion and chaos of an event such as this, things like Lanza being mistakenly identified for his brother because he was carrying his brother's ID, the full inventory of his guns and that some were inside the school and others were in his car get reported and then have to be corrected. Reasonable people understand that can happen and once given the full story, don't make the leap that they were being purposely misled.

Yes. This happens every time a story like this unfolds, swampdonkeykid. It is a messy monster, but it is a monster we the public have created with our insatiable need for NOW NOW NOW NEWS. I tend to not even look at these things as they're developing because I know it's just going to be a mass of confusion. Have you ever reported on an event, even at the student level? I have, and you can bash the media as much as you want, but it is not an easy job. People don't want to talk to you, or someone you think should know the facts tells you something and it turns out that they were telling you what they suspected, not what they knew, or in the confusion you simply accidentally get it wrong. It's a hard freaking job. (And as regards six corporations: if all mass media was owned by one corporation, you might have something. You'll never get six corporations to cooperate in any significant way unless the rewards for doing so are enormous. And even then, it's unlikely. Corporations, by their very nature, are competitive.)

Ever heard of Occam's Razor? "The simplest explanation is usually the right one." (That's the plain English version, anyway.)

Or, more pointedly, Hanlon's Razor? "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."

[~Ally~]

Ally, just do what I did. Click on the "ignore this member" button.

Already done. They can post what they like but surely the rules should apply to everyone? They aren't posting about the essay so why should their posts be allowed to monopolise the thread? I've recently had the tone and nature of my posts questioned and feel I am also expressing a valid view here, sorry if anyone disagrees.

[Moderator]

Already done. They can post what they like but surely the rules should apply to everyone? They aren't posting about the essay so why should their posts be allowed to monopolise the thread? I've recently had the tone and nature of my posts questioned and feel I am also expressing a valid view here, sorry if anyone disagrees.

Because, Ally, as I explained in a previous post in this thread, I had debated about whether to continue side discussions here and decided that since one of the purposes of Steve's essay was to encourage debate about the topic, they were still in the spirit of what he was asking. We have a place on the main portion of the site for people to put their reviews of his works.

[Todash]

Already done. They can post what they like but surely the rules should apply to everyone? They aren't posting about the essay so why should their posts be allowed to monopolise the thread? I've recently had the tone and nature of my posts questioned and feel I am also expressing a valid view here, sorry if anyone disagrees.

Heck, I was so dazzled and dizzied by the maelstrom that I actually forgot about the ignore function till now.

[PatInTheHat]

Or, more pointedly, Hanlon's Razor? "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."

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I just always knew I cholesterol encrusted heart you!

[Spideyman]

A thought concerning swampdonkeykid-- a person experiences frustration and inner conflicts because their perception and actions are "unfit"/inapt for the reality. It's all about perception.

[swampdonkeykid]

Originally Posted by Jordan
"I haven't seen any evidence to convince me that the shooter in Newtown wasn't actually an alien using advanced technology to assassinate the children who would, in the future, destroy his home planet.


Out of morbid curiosity, how do you feel about the moon landing, swampdonkeykid?"
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hey thanks all! Love the reception from the open minded folks here. In addition, it's refreshing to see that anyone questioning the state run media is marganilized. Let freedom ring!


By the way, and I ask this again, any of your own thoughts on this? I guess not? Care to address any of the things I've mentioned? CCTV, purple vans, Anderson coopers disappearing nose, etc..? Nah? That's right case closed---- snopes.com is the final word and a true authority, even glen beck says so!


“Go back to bed, America. Your government has figured out how it all transpired. Go back to bed, America. Your government is in control again. Here. Here's American Gladiators. Watch this, shut up. Go back to bed, America. Here is American Gladiators. Here is 56 channels of it! Watch these pituitary retards bang their f###**^ skulls together and congratulate you on living in the land of freedom. Here you go, America! You are free to do what we tell you! You are free to do what we tell you!”
― Bill Hicks




“I get a kick out of being an outsider constantly. It allows me to be creative. I don't like anything in the mainstream and they don't like me.”
― Bill Hicks


“When two or more people agree on an issue, I form on the other side.”
― Bill Hicks




“If you want to understand a society, take a good look at the drugs it uses. And what can this tell you about American culture? Well, look at the drugs we use. Except for pharmaceutical poison, there are essentially only two drugs that Western civilization tolerates: Caffeine from Monday to Friday to energize you enough to make you a productive member of society, and alcohol from Friday to Monday to keep you too stupid to figure out the prison that you are living in.”
― Bill Hicks




Have fun people. And, by the way, I have reconsidered my very first post and realized how rash it was. I could never give up being a fan of uncle Stephen! And I did read the guns essay--- don't necessarily agree, but it's a free country....well, it was...


i will no longer respond to your posts, all of you. you do realize not one of you actually addressed the inconsistencies or gaffes reported by the msm? i mean, on your own.....that pretty much says it all. your reactions to my posts demonstrate fear and confusion by way of attacking rather than responding. And I apologize for hijacking the thread a bit. But I am very surprised to find such narrow mindededness here.


but when you see blatant bs being peddld by the state, well, if it walks like a duck........ some of us can't play dumb and just sit back and take it.


I never claimed it was a hoax, sandy hook, just that there are way too many questions unanswered and high weirdness ( dr. carver, andersoon cooper and his disappearing nose, nuns etc.) to ignore. I don't think we will ever know what truly happened in newtown that day. In addition, I urge you all to start from the beginning of this event and take in all the info you can, from both sides, and draw your own conclusions. If you feel secure in the bosom of corporate media, (again, cnn was caught faking a report from Saudi Arabia during the gulf war, Charles Jaco et al, fake scud attack, and fake chemical weapons attack! All on a soundstage,ha) well, then I don't know what to tell you.


Freedom is slavery
ignorance is strength
war is peace


thanks for keepin' on Stephen. I look forward to many more years of your writing!

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	Am I imagining things, or is this a double post? -- Jordan