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    I expect few if any are going to agree with any of what I say here. That's why I offer this up in the spirit of friendly debate.

    This thread has to do with my take on the Dark Tower series as a whole, specifically the exact nature of Mid-World, it's history, Roland and the Tower.

    For the record, my take on the series as a whole isn't my own. Rather it belongs to the remarkable Robin Furth as outlined in her indispensable introduction to the Complete Dark Tower Concordance. In her intro, Ms. Furth brings up a work of fiction, a play actually, by another author in reference to the Tower series, "Five Characters In Search of an Author to be specific. That other work detail how five fictional characters who are part of a fictional story come to life in search of anyone willing to tell their story.

    The play is a deep meditation on creativity and asks the interesting question of whether some stories demand, even fight to be told. The point is "Five Characters" is the story of a work of fiction coming to life on a writer. That in a nutshell is Ms. Furth's take on the entire DT series.

    In effect, Ms. Furth sees the story as of a piece with works like "The Dark Half", "Secret Window Secret Garden" and especially the short story "Unmey's Last Case." What connects each tale is the conceit of a real life author life author living in the real world, only to have the fictional worlds or characters they create come to life on them through processes they don't understand. The key text in my thinking here, more than either "Dark Half" or "Window", is "Unmey's Last Case". At the risk of major spoilers, the way that story pans out, a real life novelist Sam Landry finds that not only has his fictional world (modeled after hard boiled noir fiction) come to life, but that he has found some sort of mental doorway into it. He attempts to settle down in this living fiction only to have it turn on him in the most mundane yet devastating way imaginable.

    The way I read the whole Dark Tower series, Roland, his world and the Tower amount to the same thing as outlined above. On this reading, the reality is the Ronald's world and all the characters in it, even all the way to Moses Carver and the Tet Corporation (say sorry), Henry Dean, Enrico Balazar and Cimi Dretto (not to mention Ted Braughtigan) and most especially the Tower are all fiction (unreal estates was a good word C.S. Lewis once used) and the only reality is the fictional Stephen King finding his books taking on a literal life of their own.

    In this reading, there really is no Tower, no mystical linchpin holding all possible worlds together. Instead, all the fictional Stephen King universe consists of is this world we call our own except with monsters, haunted houses and killer cars. Also in this fictional yet interconnected universe is a fictionalized version of the author himself who finds his his work coming to life for a brief time, long enough to save his own before retreating back to the words on the page they always were (let's not forget, that's what fiction is after all).

    It's best to be as clear about this as possible. In my reading, the Stephen King Universe contains just our world with the fictional tack-ons of Derry, Lewiston and Bridgeton, Castle Rock and Salem's Lot Maine. Also the Overlook in Colorado and the town of Desperation Nevada. In my reading, that's all there is really, except for the ghoulies, ghosties and long legged beasties that is, and some Other, along with some folk with the ability to brings their own fictions to life. This is what the Dark Tower stories really is about, in my reading of the books. It's not about this Tower in some surreal other world and this gunslinger trying to find it, it's about an author who finds his fiction coming to life and that fictions impinging on the real world for a time.

    I know there's a lot of repetition in the paragraphs above, and you know what they say about hell. Still, it's there for a reason, and that was to make sure a clear idea of how I look at Mid-World and it's denizens. Now I know I'm in the minority when it comes to the reading of the books, in fact the only other I know who shares my view is Ms. Furth. That's okay, I'm not asking others to agree with me, though you can if you want. I'm just voicing one guy's opinion here.

    My question is what do you think about what I've written above? One suggestion I make is hunt down a copy of the complete DT Concordance by Robin Furth and read the the two intros for a better understanding of what I've written above.

    One thing I think we can agree on is an observation she makes. It has to do with how sometimes fictional characters can nurse a real creator back to health, how fiction can sometimes save lives. In Mr. K's case, I'm definitely willing to believe that's true.

    Like I say, what do you think?

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    This is "world prime" IMO....

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    "There are a lot of long words in there, we're naught but humble pirates." ...Captain Hector Barbossa

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    Yeah, got a bad case of run on sentence.

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    I believe what you are trying to say is.

    It's all fiction, a story Sai King came back to when his needs were dire. A story that took him by the ears and put him back down to the ground. A story, fictional, so strong within Sai Kings heart. (His secret heart I guess) That it is his Astin, his medicine.

    But in some way, shape or form, The dark Tower is real. For Sai King it is what holds all his stories together. Or most of them. They are almost all linked to the series anyways. For me, personally, it's a good read. And it makes me think of universes and dimensions in spacetime or, as some would call it, Space and Time.

    I myself am a Doctor Who fan as much as I am a Sai King fan. I am a bit of a philosopher. I like to think outside the box which was given to me. This book helps me in that. Fantasize and philosophize about the "impossible".

    Also, I believe that, whenever someone believes something. It is real. Therefore I can honestly say that. A: Yes there is a Dark Tower and B: The stories within these books are real. Maybe only for the moment you live with the characters and maybe even forever, as they would live on within the heart of hearts of it's writer.

    And yes, what happens within these books might be fiction. But perhaps it, along with his wife and childeren. Might have gotten him through some rough times. Which in itself, makes it all real enough for me.

    Tell me if I am wrong, hear me, I beg.

    Long days and pleasant nights,
    Life for your crops.

    Say Thankya.

    Dax

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    Dax,

    First let me assure you there is nothing wrong with your computer. In order to restart the board today all post made last Friday had to be wiped. Sorry about that. While I don't know the specific reason why, I suspect it had something to do with last Friday falling on the 13th.

    Either way, you'll be happy to know I had time to read your post and now take the opportunity to respond. First let me just say I'm happy to know the conversation's not dead. Far as I was concerned I was supposed to move on and not give this post another thought.

    As to the content of your post...A philosopher, huh? I never thought in those terms before, last time I checked I was a Catholic (insert rimshot drumroll here).

    Anyway, can writing help people through tough times? I'm sure it helped Mr. K. for a stretch there. However I'm also know if it came to choosing life and family to all the books he could ever read or write well, don't forget that line about "Bags of Bones".

    One thing I found interesting about my take on the nature of the Tower stories was the idea of this long cycle of fictional characters coming to life and stretching themselves over a vast period of time in an equally fictional universe. The list would have to include aside from the obvious (Roland, Flagg, Eddie, Jake etc.) characters such as Ted Braughtigan and maybe even Ralph Roberts, I'm not certain about him.

    As to your statement belief makes things real. Well, that's a bit more complex, and I don't know if this is the board to discuss it. Who knows. I think there's a definite demarcation line between fiction and reailty. However, I am willing to credit the idea that Berkeley was more onto something than people guess, though not in the popular idea people have of his thinking.

    What I'm hoping I can offer is this humorous item by columnist Gene Weingarten.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/gene-weingarten-dabbles-in-solipsism/2011/03/14/AFZMgN5B_story.htm

    Enjoy. And here's hoping for more traffic on this road.

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