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    I sort of hesitated over bringing this up on my very first post here, lest anyone draw the unwarranted inference that it's a slam on my favorite fiction writer, and...
    I'm almost sure that this must have been brought up before on a message board of number-one fans, but I can't find it with the search function, so, here goes...
    I don't have a copy of the book at present (moved around a lot recently, lost it), so I can't reference the page number, but I'm sure anyone with a copy handy can find it from what I hope will be a decent description based on a fairly accurate recall from the (at least) four or five times I have read it. In the scene where the Losers' Club has their re-union in the Chinese restaurant, Bill Denbrough (I think- could have been one of the others) is ruminating over what he remembers as (paraphrased, so disregard the quote marks except as a way of emphasis) "the horrible death of Patrick Humbolt (or Humboldt)." I've always presumed that this reference was to Patrick Hockstetter, and Unca Steve just had a minor slip (not a fall). I'm wondering if anyone else who noticed this has a different take on it?
    Of course, the whole thing could be an error in recall on my part (I remember being for years convinced, for some reason, that the actresses who played the Robinson sisters in Lost In Space were actually real-life sisters, when, of course, they weren't). And, again, this is not a slam on Unca Steve. I'm actually fairly convinced that, once his writing is seen in a more historical context than the contemporary "pop-writing" perception, say, in fifty years or so, it will be recognized and assessed at its true value. I find a lot of elegance in his use of language (for example, in 11-22-63, he refers to a 2011 dime, in contrast to older ones, as "a penny with pretensions"- now that's elegant, and maybe not a bad metaphor for Oswald). I also think his stories are much less superficial than the popular perception of them would lead you to believe- for example, Hearts In Atlantis, one of my top five by him, really spoke to me, resonated, in a way few other books on that era have, maybe because I'm (approximately) of that generation, and fiction seems a better medium for harmonics than the non-fiction I usually confine myself to.
    Sorry, got off of my own topic. Is my recall off? If not, does anyone have a different take on it? Does it matter (I can answer that one- no, I'm nitpicking big time, but I don't have anything better to do at the moment)? All comments, including bashing, welcome.

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    I'm off to work, but will check when I get home tonight and try to have an answer for you tomorrow. Maybe someone else can answer it before then. Welcome to the forum, glad to have you.

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    I remember the scenario...but not the allusion...I'm old...

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    I re~read this story a few weeks ago on my Kindle and don't recall noticing this mistake anywhere. I've just pulled out one of my hardcover copies of the book and checked the chapters in the Chinese Restaurant and I can't find a mention of Patrick--Hockstetter or Humbolt--in this section. If you have seen it maybe it was somewhere else in the story...and that's a darn big book to try searching for a mistake! Either way, it may be there, or may not...but it's not important. I noticed an error with a character's name last night while reading 11/22/63, and I just chuckled that the editors could miss that one, especially since the character's correct name was mentioned twice in other sentences on the same page. These things happen, it's no biggie.

    Welcome to the board. Now please, consider sharing with us what you enjoy about IT so much that you have read it four or five times?! I'd much rather discuss that.

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    Thanks for the welcome, jcadams! (And others in advance, if that's not too cheesy)

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    I looked. Nothing...could not find the name Humboldt or any variation...I did not read it page by page, but I looked where the losers gathered there in the Jade of the Orient...I think that is the restaurant...and a bunch of names are tossed out...many by Mike as he recounts for them what is happening now...

    ...perhaps this is early onset Andersen's disease?

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    I can't find that reference in the restaurant scene. And welcome!

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    Chapter 10: The Reunion, Part 1: Bill Denbrough Gets a Cab

    The adults have only vague memories of what happened when they were kids. When Bill comes back to town, he wanders around and thinks: "Something bad had happened near here, too, in the gravel-pit close to the dump, but he could not remember it yet. He could only remember a name, Patrick Humboldt, and that it had something to do with a refrigerator. And something about a bird that had chased Mike Hanlon."

    It's not an authorial slip but faulty memories.

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    Ah, ok, Bev, thanks, that's what I was looking for. That's a good explanation. And my apologies to those I misled by saying it was in the restaurant-reunion scene- apparently it was not. As I said, I don't have the book handy, and was going completely off of an evidently faulty memory. Maybe, uh, "Andersen's disease" (? sorry, don't get the reference- evidently, more Andersen's).
    Also, my thanks for the many welcomes. I've had a few via the visitor's message thing, that I can't respond to the same way because I don't have enough posts yet, but- thank you, Haunted, Spideyman, and (just now), cat in a bag.
    Ally, I don't really have the time just now to go into any great detail about what, specifically, in the book draws me back again and again, but, I would also like to continue this discussion in future, and will. After all, this is why I'm here! Just generally speaking, it's the same thing that draws me to re-read most of Unca Steve's works- his sheer genius at creating and illuminating real characters with real, human depth (even the inhuman characters). Hell, I felt sorry for Patrick, uh, Whoever. As for reading the book four or five times- for me, that's not unusual. I am, literally, Unca Steve's Constant Reader. I almost always have a book in my hand. I've read The Shining, Misery, Hearts In Atlantis, Danse Macabre, Needful Things, and Four Past Midnight probably at least as often as It.

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    Sorry, my above comment got posted before I meant to (if that makes any sense- I'll just say my wife's laptop has the touchiest frickin' touchpad I've ever, ah, touched).
    I was going to go on to say that, of course I agree, Ally, no big deal. As I said, I hesitated to bring it up (I could almost hear the groans- "oh, no, not another master nitpicker"). Too much time on my hands (though not so much today).
    (Do I overuse the parenthesis thing?) (Yes, I do.)
    I've started a thread in the "Novels By Other Authors" sub-forum that will give you an idea of the kind, and maybe the quantity, of reading I do. So, reading It several times is not at all unusual for me, and I suspect not for many other members of this forum- who are all, by the way, so far as I can tell on short acquaintance, civil, classy, and intelligent folks. Nice place you got here- can I stay?

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