Texas Wants Women to Listen to Fetal Hearbeat Before Abortion

[bugaboosy]

this is an incredibly interesting thread to read and keep up with.
i have just had a thought about it whilst reading the last couple of pages ...... if these insensitive 'professionals' and trust me with what they are proposing i use the term professional loosely, follow on with what they want to do, what do they propose to do to the dead beat dads and the walking sperm donor males who seem to run around impregnating everyone they can? or is this acceptable and its only the womans fault pregnancy happens? and only her responsibility?
from my sex education i do believe it takes two to make a baby so to put this on only the women is what i would call sexist.

[PatInTheHat]

I think more effective would be all Texas women refusing to have sex with men since we all know that abstinence is the only 100% effective birth control.

Hey that reminds me, in less then two days, and for just a 24 hour window each and every year (in Texas or Kentucky...hmm, or Vermont, Iowa, Utah....), I most definitely may be referred to as Patty, or Paddy if that's a cultural preference of some kind, it certainly makes no never mind to me.
I hope this causes confusion...uhh, I mean confection, yeah that's it, it is a holiday after all, and just who doesn't love some sugar on a holiday.

[lovely1]

Women should always have a choice on what happens to their bodies and their lives, no government, religion or men should legislate this. It is a very personal decision left up to the individual. Listening to the heart beat won't change a woman's mind if it is already made up and she sees that her decision is in her best interest and her family's best interest.

What should be done is creating better financial, care and emotional support systems in society for women to have their children if they choose this, but since this privilege is a long long way into the distant future choice is all we women have whether to have or not to have a baby. And sex is not a sin it can be a wonderful thing between two consenting adults. Accidents happen in life no matter how careful we are. That's life.

Women have a womb and men don't therefore that gives us a very great power to decide to bring life into the world or not to bring life into this world. I am proud to be a woman and have the power to choose the quality of my life and the lives of those around me we women bear an awesome burden, a blessing and responsibility.

[Lily Sawyer]

Wow. Maybe the people who abuse toddlers and children of other ages should be outfitted with stethoscopes so that they, too, can listen to the sound of the child's heartbeat before they beat the holy hell out of it.

[hossenpepper]

I HAVE A SOLUTION TO THIS ENTIRE ABORTION DEBATE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Allow science to solve this problem. Lets operate on a few assumptions here. First, if a baby is "unwanted" there are surely a lot of parents to be that either can't or don't want to reproduce themselves tah twould gladly take a new healthy american baby. Second, that there will be women who want to terminate a pregnancy that will allow this to happen.

So very simple: make an artificial womb that grows in a lab. Remove the baby from the highly immoral mother that doesn't want it and put it in the artificial womb. Grow the baby to term and adopt it out. Hell think of the jobs!!

I would call it the "Brave New World Adoption Agency"

But the necons will have to drop a few fights first: stem cell research, cloning and underfunding scientific pursuits of things that aren't based on a profitable product or killing machine of some type. And yeah, this would require tax funding. But wouldn't you gladly trade a few bucks to save the lives of those fetuses? Or is money more important than life?

With dedication to this project and unlimited funding to make it happen, it shouldn't take long at all to perfect this process. Plus, think of the multitude of other discoveries that will come of this too! Many diseases, paralysis, organ failure, and more all eliminated! Think of the fine care we could give our proud veterans wounded in combat! Maybe regrow limbs, damaged portions of organs, etc. the possibilities are mind blowing. And the abortion debate goes away.

Volley your direction neocons. Though I expect sycophantic rhetoric in response...

[guido tkp]

i believe, at the present moment, a fertilized egg can be removed and stored/transfered...if so, maybe all the prolifers should use all their time, energy & money to offer this up as an option (with them paying the entire costs out of pocket, of course) to clinics and patients, as opposed to creating all these unconstitutional, treasonous laws forcing their religious beliefs upon others

thanks, tery, so very much for the series of very enlightening articles.

we've been hearing glew, corby and every right wing nut job bleat on endlessly about the progressives...the (d)'s.... the liberals...but it seems more than clear that the only slippery slope to big govt telling us what we can or cannot do is coming solely and only from the right wing & conservatives

[randallFlaggfan1]

Seeing as how I am 110% against abortion, I really don't think this is too terribly bad. Why? Because what if the woman later regrets her decision to terminate the life of her unborn child? If this were a requirement, I think there would be lower abortion rates, because the mother would-more than likely-decide not to go through with it, after hearing and seeing her ultrasound.

If I were a mother, I certainly couldn't go through with it..

BTW, I think the father should have to be in attendence, too.

[lenona]

Texas is it's own country

[omm poppa mow mow]

Whew. Strong feelings, all around. Was happy to read "adoption" before I got to the bottom of the first page. Guns came up, too. Choice. I'd hope that those on either side of the aisle could accept the idea that those on the other side mean well. Those who are opposed to abortion are opposed because they believe all life is precious, even that life that begins growing at the moment of conception.

The legislation seems silly to me and the intent seems to be designed to direct the world's thoughts and views toward the never-adequately viewed life that grows only in a woman's womb.

It's terrible that our society is such that this is an option, even worse, that if it isn't available, that some poor lost soul would use a pencil.

The ironies abound. I've often looked at the issue, looked at who has lined up on one side or the other, and have wondered why those who insist on calling it a "choice" are more than willing to limit the same kind of choices when it comes to the 2nd amendment. What? A woman doesn't have the right to keep and bear arms, etc etc?

And if being forced to listen to a heartbeat is wrong, how much more being forced to buy health insurance?

What's the answer? A best-of-seven series? Winner takes all? A no-fly zone?

The general public has long been divided into two parts those who think science can do anything, and those who are afraid it will. Thomas Pynchon, Mason & Dixon

Now science has seen to it that monstrous decisions don't need popular support. John Irving, Setting Free the Bears.

I don't think anyone should be comfortable with the idea of government and health care working hand-in-hand, even less so when it requires legislation to accomplish.

I have no doubt that those women (and unfortunately girls much-too young) who become pregnant desire, want, are eager to listen to heartbeats, view the sonograms, etc. Telling, I think it is, that so much of the what the issue is about--that pic on the thread opener shows it best--that handful of pink--is something that isn't even given the same accord an xray or other medical imaging of diseased tissue is given.

[Sigmund]

Hey Randall!

I posted and tried to answer a post much like yours earlier in the thread.

Here is my post.

Hi! I understand your point of view.
I believe a woman struggles mightlily making the decision to terminate a pregnancy. I don't think the choice is made lightly. I think she imagines and considers all her choices and tries to imagine every possible avenue, every possible way to handle the situation the best way. I believe that she most likely has educated herself and resources. And finally decides to terminate.
You are correct that being forced to listen to the heart beat might change her mind. And when she is past the time when she can have an abortion, or five minutes after she has given birth, or one to eighteen years later and she cannot support, manage the child and/or her life she will realize that her original decision to terminate was the correct decision for her afterall. But, while she was in a vulnerable position, she was taken advantage of being forced to hear the heartbeat, the lecture, and changed her mind.
Where are all those people who 'informed' her when she is alone, struggling, the baby won't stop crying, the tweenie is rebeling, the teenager is acting out?
I have seen way too many child abuse cases and heard about too many infants, babies, being battered for months, years, before finally being beat to death. And why?
Why? Because abortion is 'wrong', 'murder' and the woman is judged or 'informed' about the termination. So pressured to keep a preganancy she didn't want?
I don't understand that. And I find it unacceptable and unneccesary