Texas Wants Women to Listen to Fetal Hearbeat Before Abortion

[Sigmund]

When younger, I believed in ProLife. I now see that life isnt that clear cut. I am not always right...not always wrong. I sorta just feel that folks do the best they can...that's all one can do with honor and grace in this world.

Thank you. You said that PERFECTLY!

Peace.

[Tery]

I have a question for all the "pro-life" folks. Why, if the intended outcome of all of the back-handed ways around the Federal law is no more abortions, why is contraception an issue? Please don't try to argue that it's not; recent actions by states show that it is. This whole brouhaha about Planned Parenthood funding is about contraception and poor women's health. Why? Why do "pro-lifers" want poor women and their babies to die? De-funding PP will result in exactly that. Even more important, PP's publicly funded family planning services prevent 2 million unintended pregnancies and 800,000 abortions nationwide each year. That's almost a million abortions prevented by Planned Parenthood EVERY YEAR.

These bills that are being introduced and passed are about one thing and one thing only; controlling women. Especially poor women. Because the rich ones can get anything they want, including illegal abortions. But what of the poor women who will have no choice but to carry an unplanned pregnancy to term? Many end up on public assistance. They can't work because there is no child care. So they must live on the dole to make sure their babies don't starve. And what future do these children have? What future when conservative programs cut education funding? And the girls? No family planning, no contraception, no education. Can you say "vicious circle"? Because that's what this creates.

When those who call themselves "pro-life" actually stop and think about what their piety and self-righteous bellowing about "poor unborn babies" creates, then I might believe that they are "pro-life." Until then, they are "anti-woman and child" as far as I'm concerned.

[omm poppa mow mow]

"On the day of my judgment, when I stand before God, and He asks me why did I kill one of his true miracles, what am I gonna say? That it was my job? My job?"
— Stephen King (The Green Mile Book Box Set)

[Terry B]

I have a question for all the "pro-life" folks. Why, if the intended outcome of all of the back-handed ways around the Federal law is no more abortions, why is contraception an issue? Please don't try to argue that it's not; recent actions by states show that it is. This whole brouhaha about Planned Parenthood funding is about contraception and poor women's health. Why? Why do "pro-lifers" want poor women and their babies to die? De-funding PP will result in exactly that. Even more important, PP's publicly funded family planning services prevent 2 million unintended pregnancies and 800,000 abortions nationwide each year. That's almost a million abortions prevented by Planned Parenthood EVERY YEAR.

These bills that are being introduced and passed are about one thing and one thing only; controlling women. Especially poor women. Because the rich ones can get anything they want, including illegal abortions. But what of the poor women who will have no choice but to carry an unplanned pregnancy to term? Many end up on public assistance. They can't work because there is no child care. So they must live on the dole to make sure their babies don't starve. And what future do these children have? What future when conservative programs cut education funding? And the girls? No family planning, no contraception, no education. Can you say "vicious circle"? Because that's what this creates.

When those who call themselves "pro-life" actually stop and think about what their piety and self-righteous bellowing about "poor unborn babies" creates, then I might believe that they are "pro-life." Until then, they are "anti-woman and child" as far as I'm concerned.

People see Planned Parenthood and ALL they see are abortions. "They" have no idea what good Planned Parenthood actually does for women in this country.

[GLewman]

I have a question for all the "pro-life" folks. Why, if the intended outcome of all of the back-handed ways around the Federal law is no more abortions, why is contraception an issue? Please don't try to argue that it's not; recent actions by states show that it is. This whole brouhaha about Planned Parenthood funding is about contraception and poor women's health. Why? Why do "pro-lifers" want poor women and their babies to die? De-funding PP will result in exactly that. Even more important, PP's publicly funded family planning services prevent 2 million unintended pregnancies and 800,000 abortions nationwide each year. That's almost a million abortions prevented by Planned Parenthood EVERY YEAR.

These bills that are being introduced and passed are about one thing and one thing only; controlling women. Especially poor women. Because the rich ones can get anything they want, including illegal abortions. But what of the poor women who will have no choice but to carry an unplanned pregnancy to term? Many end up on public assistance. They can't work because there is no child care. So they must live on the dole to make sure their babies don't starve. And what future do these children have? What future when conservative programs cut education funding? And the girls? No family planning, no contraception, no education. Can you say "vicious circle"? Because that's what this creates.

When those who call themselves "pro-life" actually stop and think about what their piety and self-righteous bellowing about "poor unborn babies" creates, then I might believe that they are "pro-life." Until then, they are "anti-woman and child" as far as I'm concerned.

Step away from the blogs......On the one hand you say that abortions and government funding are such a miniscule amount that we "anti-woman and child" folks are "bellowing" for no reason...Then you turn around and say that 2 million pregnancies and several hundred thousand abortions will happen if this miniscule amount is cut? I have to tell you that I considered myself "pro-choice" until a friend of mine told her aunt about some of the things I had said on the subject...I was shocked when her aunt was in my face crying that she could never have kids and every child aborted was such a HUGE waste of a chance for not only the kid, but a for her and millions of women and families that wait for years just to give those unborn children an opportunity to experience this world that we take for granted...I picture my friends aunt (D. Woitte is her name PITH) when I think about it now...Put a woman hating, anti-child label on it if you want Tery...All I can say is I see an unborn child the same as I see a new born...Perhaps you haven't seen the look in a woman's eyes when she knows she will never have a child of her own?

[JohnDalglish]

"bellowing" for no reason...

Hi,

Sounds familiar.

If the cap fits .....

Long days and pleasant nights

[PatInTheHat]

Step away from the blogs......On the one hand you say that abortions and government funding are such a miniscule amount that we "anti-woman and child" folks are "bellowing" for no reason...Then you turn around and say that 2 million pregnancies and several hundred thousand abortions will happen if this miniscule amount is cut? I have to tell you that I considered myself "pro-choice" until a friend of mine told her aunt about some of the things I had said on the subject...I was shocked when her aunt was in my face crying that she could never have kids and every child aborted was such a HUGE waste of a chance for not only the kid, but a for her and millions of women and families that wait for years just to give those unborn children an opportunity to experience this world that we take for granted...I picture my friends aunt (D. Woitte is her name PITH) when I think about it now...Put a woman hating, anti-child label on it if you want Tery...All I can say is I see an unborn child the same as I see a new born...Perhaps you haven't seen the look in a woman's eyes when she knows she will never have a child of her own?

Every one of 'em huh?
So what, you sayin' every aborted fetus was destined to be a wonderful warm & fuzzy human being, not a future child abuser or simple everyday ax murderer in the bunch?...you a solid nurture over nature kinda guy too are ya?

For anyone suffering from such a conundrum of finding a child to love and keep care of to raise right, may I suggest the Yellow Pages, peruse under, "Orphanage".
You can find waste in all shapes and sizes, colors & conditions, in them there joints, but all the kiddos, they do have one thing in common, they all need, too.

I gotta reckon there'll be quite a few more of those places poppin' up all over the place, if the GOP has it's way and destroys Planned Parenthood like the, only true way Crusaders, it likes to think it is.
And I just can't wait to see to the conservative minded support that will be offered to them ('Please sir, I'd like...well, watery tasteless gruel is good, but gee whiz we ain't picky, we'll except anything'!).
Hey, what's that in the future I see?
Is that a 21st century style Rent-A-Kid program, (probably faith based, all the popular monetary based faiths included), or just outright kiddo sales?...well ya gotta earn your keep and bring in some coin is what I'm sayin', or it's flat out socialism, right?
Happened to my Mama during the depression, she was for all intents & purposes, sold, but of course it was called, a donation, to the Holy Roman Church.
Oh silly me, that could never occur again, now could it?
By the way, how much overstock do ya think they'll have on the shelves of children with those serious medical and/or developmental problems?
As a lot of abortions are performed when a fetus has been diagnosed with some very bad cards dealt to them, many with absolutely no future but their immediate one in an incubator, and many without even that much of a future, so I kinda doubt the line for those adoptions (much less at the rental division), is going to be a very long one.
I'll expect to see you in that line.


Oh, and before you get all shocked, dismayed, flabbergasted (or even flastergasseded), with your patented G-Man, oh golly jeepers innocent eyed piety, and try & make it fit like I'm advocating abortions, simply because a fetus is discovered to have a serious condition of some kind, please, allow me to offer you some well deserved help...

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[GLewman]

So what, you sayin' every aborted fetus was destined to be a wonderful warm & fuzzy human being, not a future child abuser or simple everyday ax murderer in the bunch?...you a solid nurture over nature kinda guy too are ya?

Curious that I said no such thing, but you justify killing unborn children with this argument? Sorry about that...I meant killing "theoretical" children...I believe I said every unborn child deserves an opportunity...No matter the conditions...A chance is a chance in my book. Also, thanks for the ladder. My high horse appreciates it

[JohnDalglish]

Also, thanks for the ladder. My high horse appreciates it

Hi,

A 'High horse', eh?

Well. we all know what pride comes before, don't we?

Long days and pleasant nights

[GLewman]

Well. we all know what pride comes before, don't we?

I didn't realize people were subject to large and catastrophic falls for communicating thoughts or beliefs...I always figured those were the things that kept us grounded...Or maybe I look at it like being human is all about rising and falling...being knocked down and getting back up...I can tell you that if I fall right now, it won't be a long drop. But hey...you can keep wishing