Third World War

[Srbo]

Well, not here to scare you, not writing this as a dissapointed lunatic, just thinking out loud.
This happened just a few moments ago:

Kosovo's declaration of independence from Serbia in February 2008 was legal, the International Court of Justice ruled in a 10-4 vote Thursday.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe....html?hpt=Sbin

So, with that decision, did they just set a very dangerous secessionist precedent, like it is said in that article or what?
I mean, with this ruling, every other country in the World is going to have real problems now.
Why wouldn`t Basque declare independence from Spain?
Why wouldn`t the UK fall apart now, the Scottish and the Irish want out of there anyway since forever?
Quebec from Canada?

What`s going to stop them now, since this has been declared legal? Everybody else now is going to say: " Well, they did it, it has been declared legal, so, why wouldn`t we do it, nothing is there to stop us now? "
And then the big countries, England, USA, Germany and so on are goin to say NO!

Is this leading towards armed conflicts throughout the World in the near future now, or am I being totally paranoid?

Would you care to share your thoughts with me on this one?
Thank you.

[CorbinKale]

I believe that any entity which desires to separate from another entity, has that Right. Denial of that Right is defacto slavery.

Texas has been considering this option. The States in the US delegate their authority to the Federal government under the Constitution. Since the Federal government no longer operates within the strict limitations of that contract, we are very close to exercising that option. THIS time, there is not that terrible moral indictment of slavery to distract from the issue of State sovereignty.

Politically, people divide into two types. Those who desire control over others, and those who have no such desire. When each group demands supremacy and asking nicely doesn't get results, there is going to be a fight.

[Damaris]

I'm with Corbin in that every populace should have the right to form (or re-form) its own political state. Why shouldn't Quebec be allowed to secede from Canada, or Basque from Spain? If the majority of people of any regions are unsatisfied with their current parent nations and demand sovereignty, I see no reason why they should be denied that. If a government so disgusts its people, let them form a new government and make their own way. How else were nations ever formed? The real problem is one of money, resources, and power. The parent nation does not like giving up any of those things. Secession and revolt are how nations are born, but it's also how they die.

[MrZetakappa]

sono d'accordo con il vostro pensiero,anche da noi si parla molto di secessione (Padania) ,siamo una nazione si è lottato x avere l'unita' pero' sembra che tra nord,centro e sud parliamo 3 lingue diverse e non mi riferisco certo ai dialetti!c'è sempre la paura che qualcosa vada storto mi piace molto il pensiero di Damaris,sembra che conti solo soldi e potere e il rischio è sempre alto

[wally wonder]

Thursday's verdict was not legally binding. It's an advisory opinion, not a judgment, a court spokeswoman said. The United Nations General Assembly therefore remains free to decide what action to take.

Such opinions still carry great legal weight, however, and Thursday's verdict could set the tone for Kosovo's relations with other countries.

looks like a problem has made the grade? isn't there something called 'the european union'? they got coinage even? who's in? who's out? and where's it all end? i've read some of your other concerns, srbo, in another thread or two. what can be done? i take it there is a large group of people...they are of one mindset, or so we are led to believe...i dunno, raises all kinds of questions about demographics. the world changes and often those changes are what we would like. what can be done? the door was opened, wasn't it? much as the door is open, elsewhere?

and who decides? maybe that is the point. who decides.

[Mr Nobody]

The UK's been falling apart for years anyway. The Scots have their own parliament, these days. The Welsh and Northern Irish have their own assemblies. The fact that, for many reasons, we're stronger together won't enter into it. Divisionist factions have already done their work. Of course, when the Welsh go their own way and find that their land isn't really suited to agriculture, they'll need to trade with England. The Scots will have a laugh over North Sea gas and oil. Unfortunately, the rigs belong to privately-owned companies, not the UK Government. They'll get some tax revenue at best, and it might not amount to anything like what they currently get from being in the UK (and by extension, the EU; secession from the UK would mean they have to petition the EU for entry, and that can be a hell of a slow process).
I don't know what the present Government will say or do about it, but the previous one seemed to actively want to break the UK into constituent parts. At one point, there was even talk of breaking England up into 4-5 administrative zones, which would have ultimately led to a secession of north from south. Indeed, we already have Liverpudlians referring to their city/Merseyside (perhaps with tongue in cheek) as 'The People's Republic of Scouse'.

The thing is, though, a few hundred years ago there was no such thing as the UK, or the US for that matter. Two thousand years ago, Rome held sway across most of Western Europe and North Africa. It fell apart, as did Yugoslavia, as did the USSR, as will the US and UK. It's the way of things regardless of judgements and rulings.
Sad for us that go through it, but tbh future generations won't know any different, and won't care.

[bugaboosy]

i think in the majority of countries you mentioned they manage to live peacefully together ...now..
yes scotland, ireland and wales want to be separate and why not? they are their own country.
as for the bosnia issue ...umm if some ppl wanted to wipe my existence off the face of the planet then why would i want to be aligned with them?
too many ppl get killed for something none of us owns .....earth

[frisbee]

Srbo, I agree with the comments that those who want to secede from anything should have the right to do so. Further, I have a little trouble with the concept of this "international court of justice". In order to give it any teeth at all a country has to essentially give up some of its sovereign power.

[CorbinKale]

The UK's been falling apart for years anyway. The Scots have their own parliament, these days. The Welsh and Northern Irish have their own assemblies. The fact that, for many reasons, we're stronger together won't enter into it.

The UK is unique. I think of it as a tightly knit country community, much the same as the one I currently live in. Most of the neighbors get along very well and come together on common ground, while avoiding the issues where we differ. Independently, we can be such a community. Collectively, if one neighbor claimed dominion over the others, backed with the threat of physical violence, the neighborhood would be unstable and we would all waste much of our resources in a power struggle.

We are stronger as independent households, working together by choice. Being forced into a collective under duress would undermine our strength.

[Haunted]

Once again Srbo, you stir up the brain matter. Much to think about here.