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    Good God. I've read through a lot of these posts, and seriously, please stop.

    I've read several SK books. I think he's a phenomenal writer with great imagery and eloquently paced story-telling. Nothing seems to lull too long, and he knows how to get his readers hooked and unable to drop a book, finding themselves saying "just one more chapter and I'll go to bed."

    This is not to start a flame war, as it is my first post, but I had to say something.

    The Long Walk is a great book. Really. I enjoyed it from start to finish - and yes, the ending was acceptable because I think I "got" it. Allow me to explain:

    First and foremost, the ending loosely translated to Garraty dying. He was out of his mind the last third of the book. Wracked with pain and mental anguish. The Long Walk absolutely destroyed him inside and out. He watched friends die, and others he was even remotely concerned about endure brutal, violent ends. He was constantly stumbling through murderous pain, and the book was very descriptive in how it decided there "was no winner" or "betrayal" or simply a delusional sense of victory. I honestly thought that was pretty damn obvious.

    The only thing that would allow him a sense of well-being and freedom would be death. Even from a medical standpoint, I'd say that was pretty obvious. You can go for 4 days walking continuously surrounded by death and sickening occurrences, at a young impressionable age and possibly survive, but doubtfully. In fact, almost impossibly. Point being, the fact that the hero didn't drop dead 24 hours earlier is essentially a medical miracle. He sees a glimmer of death at the end, and follows it into the underworld. I kind of thought that was the whole point.

    Now, here's what pisses me off and really obligated me to post here.

    Stop being pseudo-philosophical pretentious critics. It's obnoxious. No offense to my man SK, but he's not quite as deep as you lackluster intellectuals are making him out to be. I studied philosophy and psychology for seven years. That's not a trump card, it's a fact. It's exhausting to see people delve into this absurd attempt at analyzing depth that doesn't exist. It's a lot like J.J. Abrams' work. He creates an entire universe, breed of monster, complex human dynamic, then claims secrecy to veil the fact that he basically has no idea where the f*** where he was going with the story.

    So uh, there's a race called the Homebrewians, and they uh, live on planet Booz'e, and uh, they are building a weapon to destroy the human race, and the human race doesn't realize that the Homebrewians are actually building this weapon to protect the humans from theirselves because they know a dark secret and uh... you know, what, I'm out out of f'ing ideas. So I'm done. End of novel / movie / tv show. I'm dark and mysterious because I left it open to interpretation right? No, I'm a bad writer and a total hack. I can't stand this crap.

    Stop digging into these books with a fading level of intelligence and turning them into epic works of metaphorical art. They're not.

    Perhaps, just maybe, the Long Walk is not a metaphor. Do you really think you're going to blow people's minds because you interpreted it as a metaphor? Come on, guys. It's not that deep. Why? Here's why:

    1. They mention several times there are billions of dollars betting on this event.

    2. They mention that the event is fully voluntary.

    3. People die in horrible, horrible ways.

    4. The ending is somewhat vague, but leans towards the main character going fully insane and / or dying.

    So I ask this, what the hell kind of metaphor is that? Oh, are you going to suggest life is constantly bet on? No. Good luck comparing The World Series or The Superbowl to a deep, philosophical meaning of life. If you do, you're attempting at being philosophical for the sake of, not because it exists. So The Long Walk is all about life? Really? You see people gunned down metaphorically because they can't endure it? Doubtful. Suicide, maybe, but how do you explain the ridiculous hardships they endure in terms of real life? You're telling me that The Long Walk is like life? Then you must know 100 miserable, pain stricken people stumbling to their deaths. The Long Walk could be a metaphor for life, if you and 99 people were talking through mine fields and begging to stay alive. That's a little much. Sure, we all struggle through life, but don't be pretentious and turn a book about a fictional military event into some grand metaphor for life. If it's really that bad for you, walking and stumbling and faltering hoping not to get your brains blown out of your skull then your life is exceptionally tragic.

    Take SK novels for what they are. Entertainment. Typically dark, but entertainment. As I said, SK is a great writer, but you're going to tell me that the guy who writes about killer clowns is trying to express a resounding philosophical metaphor in line with Kant, Schopenhauer, or Nietzche? Please stop. It's just damn pretentious. Enjoy the book, and if the ending is vague, don't turn it into some epic intellectual feat. If you didn't get it, then I'm sorry, I agree that it sucks, but don't turn it into some philosophical attempt by a fictional horror novelist. If you're so deep, let's discuss some real philosophy, otherwise, stop being a pretentious p**** and take it as it is.

    Homebrew

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    That is your opinion and you are entitled to it. However, one of the things you may not have gotten in your brief time here is that what will be interpreted as flaming behavior is your use of personal invectives such as "pseudo-philosophical pretentious critics" and "pretentious p****". It is possible to state your opinion without making it personal even when in a generalization. Furthermore, that you do not see anything more than killer clowns or your dismissing Stephen's literary merit and categorizing him as a "fictional horror novelist" in what is obviously a negative connotation, does not mean that there is not more of a message to his work than what you have garnered from it. Yes, entertainment is his objective but not the only one. Is he trying to be a Kant, Schopenhauer, or Nietzche? Probably not, but again, that doesn't mean he doesn't have anything to say more than the entertainment value.

    You have set out your case well even if I don't personally agree with some aspects of it and I hope you stay around for further discussion but just keep in mind that in the future your posts will be edited to eliminate the personally directed remarks if you include them. You seem intelligent enough not to have to resort to that to make your point.





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    Well said Ms. Mod. I can't add much to it, so I'm just going to go back to reading frivolous stuff like Beowulf, what with its monsters and dragons; and Shakespeare, what with his ridiculous witches and ghosts; Franz Kafka, with his people turning into bugs; and oh yes of course Stephen King, with his killer clowns. Literary lightweights, all of them.

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    Hmmmm.....I'm not sure but I think you just called us stupid....either that or pseudo-stupid...Maybe I'm not smart enough to understand what you called us. I read fiction, Uncle Stevie in particular for entertainment, not enlightment. But like Ms Mod says, I hope you stay around long enough to get to know us individually and as a group...we really are a great bunch of people!

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    Oh....Hi, I'm Cowboy.....good morning to you also. I like to read books.

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    [QUOTE=Homebrew;369358] If you're so deep, let's discuss some real philosophy, otherwise, stop being a pretentious p**** and take it as it is.[QUOTE]

    Wow... Marsha I can see just how hard your job really is.
    "One pixel can change everything."

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    "A question please?"
    "Yes, the big boy in the back, bouncing around like an addled hamster?"
    "Yeah, did Homebrew sample some of his namesake concoction before posting that affront? Or did, someone just pee in his Captain Crunch?"

    Sorry Marsha, but you showed a great deal of restraint in your reply...I've also studied religion and philosophy-making me a proud pseudo-intellectual. Homebrew, I've never delved into a SK novel in search of the undying metaphor. Since my IQ is above room temperature, I grasp the concept of entertainment for entertainment's sake-no matter what the medium. How dare you try to shove YOUR philosophy down our throats? By doing so, you are as guilty as those of us you accuse...If a larger concept, principle or lesson should occur to me during a reading of Mr. King's works-great! Then I am more than comfortable sharing it with others on this MB-because it can lead to lively and sometimes humorous discourse. It's a free world, you are just as entitled to your opinion as the rest of us-but in the future, be a little more restrained and respectful. A spray of vitriol for the sake of it is as ridiculous as that which you condemn us for!

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    I'm guessing this will be a very popular thread today, so i thought I'd get my entry in early.

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    Well aren't you just the cutest little precocious one!
    (precocious happens to be one of my favorite words, coincidentally right after pretentious..though I admit, it's not all that alphabetically pleasing)
    Kudos & props on the title of your very first thread, not to mention first post!
    Ya know, not many of even the best pretentiously precocious scamps could pull that one off quite that vocabularlistically as clever...even after, what was it, seven, long years of psycho philosophy study.
    I would feel remiss if I didn't inform you however, I think most folks on here already know the definition of the word, so there was really no need for such a hard thought out example...big readers we, not that I personally don't appreciate the effort, I mean there's nothing wrong with a well intended jr. high lesson I suppose...thanks you ever so much for the reminder!

    So then, welcome Firebrewed, I look forward to your years of educated insight and critical diagnosis...now let's get un-pretentiously philosophically cereal!
    (and I mean that in a multi-against the-grain kinda way......I kill myself sometimes!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by boogerb53 View Post
    Hmmmm.....I'm not sure but I think you just called us stupid....either that or pseudo-stupid...Maybe I'm not smart enough to understand what you called us. I read fiction, Uncle Stevie in particular for entertainment, not enlightment. But like Ms Mod says, I hope you stay around long enough to get to know us individually and as a group...we really are a great bunch of people!
    No,no Boogerb! Pay attention. We are pseudo-stupid because we are trying to be smart! While reading SK work we see a metaphor for X (our life, the world, realty, etc) but being the little pea-brains we are, we percieve that alcohol and alcoholism can make a man ruin his life,lose his sanity, end his marriage and even put his wife and son in danger (The Shining) but it's NOT. It's just a little ole' horror story.
    When we read about an evil teen trying to take advantage of an old war criminal and in the end they both wind up at each others throat it;s not a metaphor for how some real life people, sociopaths seek out other sociopaths to use each other and others for their own pleasure and devices leaving many victims behind.(Aptpupil) It's just a SSsscccaaarryyy story.
    Because we see similarities in SK books and history, life, reality, religion, psychology, philosophy, politics and we ponder these occurances and discuss and debate them with other intelligent people, that's what make us pseudo-stupid. I thought that would have made us pseudo-intellectual?
    I'm gonna go now. I'm gonna go eat my self a great big bowl of Rice -crispies (they snap, crackle and pop!) (I wonder, if no one is there to hear them snap, crackle and pop, do they make a sound?) and read Archie and Jughead.
    (Okay. Remember sage advice from long time member. When a newbie comes in guns ablazing, step back, say nothing and give him/her time to adjust to a nice welcoming board.
    And remembering earlier events....I can't remember are we supposed to suffer fools gladly because we are intelligent or despite the fact that we are intelligent? )

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