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    Default Generally what the deal is in specific:

    I don't know how much people might want to think about this; something that somebody besides me wrote (I don't know who) but has given me alot of food for thought. I can't decide if there is an argument to come down on one side or the other of in this (is what I think is happening in contemporary societal debate:

    "One of the most difficult things one faces in the history of philosophy (and in many other fields of inquiry, I'd imagine) is generalizing from particular claims and arguments without destroying essential detail. On the one hand, to make sense of things we need to classify them, and classification involves generalization and abstraction from details. On the other hand, if you describe things vaguely enough, with no regard for possible distinctions, you can make anything seem consistent with anything, and anything seem inconsistent with anything, regardless of the actual state of the argument. For instance, you could take two positions that in fact are mutually exclusive and in fact are deliberately opposed to each other and treat them vaguely enough that you end up conflating contrary views. Likewise, you can take two very, very vague terms, like 'science' and 'religion', both of which cover any number of things, and talk about how 'science and religion are inconsistent'. Nobody in their right mind would argue that observing Passover makes it impossible to observe the stars; you certainly wouldn't mean that the Sikh doctrine of the Panth makes it impossible to study butterflies; you don't mean that the Sermon on the Mount contradicts the equations used in quantum physics; you aren't saying that the Catholic Church has commanded its members never to speculate about the Big Bang or the inflationary hypothesis. At least, if you were saying these things, you'd be a lunatic. So you must actually mean something very specific. And if you mean something specific, you have to ask yourself why you are talking about this very specific thing so vaguely, at a level where distinctions are lost and there is danger of unlike things being conflated and like things being misclassified. And if you meet someone who talks this vaguely about anything specific, you have to worry that it's a sign that they're playing a confidence game; only confidence men and snake-oil salesman talk that vaguely about specific things, because it's a way of talking about things that allows you to ignore relevant details and important distinctions. Another thing it allows you to do is to make inferences based purely on verbal similarity and not on anything of substance. Generalizations have to be made; but there is a form of generalization that involves equivocation. And that is to be avoided."

    Any thoughts, fellow thinkers?

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    Grey Poupon is the best overall mustard, but for ballpark franks I'd go with Gulden's Original Yellow.

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    Default Re: Generally what the deal is in specific:

    Quote Originally Posted by Bryan James View Post
    Grey Poupon is the best overall mustard, but for ballpark franks I'd go with Gulden's Original Yellow.
    I asked for replies from thinkers.

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    Default Re: Generally what the deal is in specific:

    Quote Originally Posted by Bryan James View Post
    Grey Poupon is the best overall mustard, but for ballpark franks I'd go with Gulden's Original Yellow.
    I'm sorry, but that's frickin' funny. And I concur.

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    Default Re: Generally what the deal is in specific:

    Well, I'd say that disrespect of thought will eventually lead to the ultimate banishment of it. See how well you concur with that.

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    Oh. I thought you said "drinkers." Sorry. Would you like fries with that?

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    Default Re: Generally what the deal is in specific:

    I think the points in the quotation are well taken and current debates both here on the Board and in the world at large confirm that theory. It seems that many arguments are being made without feeling the necessity to provide data to support them and are relying on generalizations intended to incite emotion to further the cause of whatever group is espousing them.


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    Default Re: Generally what the deal is in specific:

    Search engines are cool.

    http://branemrys.blogspot.com/2009/0...il-is-too.html

    People push their agendas and, usually, don't let facts or reality detract from their enthusiasm. In short, the answer to your query is "human nature". Of course, that may be too vague.

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    I think (pun intended), Ranger Strider, that your premise neatly eclipses the profundity of the now meaningless postulate "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?".

    I may lay awake all night with this.....

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    I admit that I am Chairman of International Condiment Committee, a position for which I am remunerated over the internet in the amount of 8.7 Million US Dollars per year originating from Nigeria, but to the aforesaid mustard comments I hold true, said comments being my personal believings. I wear my mustard on my sleeve and it it it is quite evident of that fact as I sometimes wear a shirt that has sleeves. With mustards on them. Sometimes I taste the sleeves after the dining occurs.

    Thank you and please keep this secrets confidential but for safety purpose.

    Mbaka "Chris" Slovestanik, III and the Four

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