Quit Smoking... (A Discussion)

[miglash]

Ha, ha :} I also quit smoking :} wasnt as bad as they say it would be and I did not use any patches or gum or other stuff like that... Although, I had a few bad starts one I smoked a cigarette or two after a few months of no smoking. I sometimes even got bad dreams where Im smoking and smoking and smoking and than I wake up all sweaty, thinking oh no it was so darn close!! But hell if you really feel motivated quiting is really easy :}

[poisonbat]

You have your rights too Srbo. Thank you for being considerate of others, I am the same way.

[devious1]

Hmmm I would say the tobacco companies covered up more and told more lies than anti-smoking campaign.

I like the over the top truth.com ads, the point is don't be a fool and stand outside trying to attract lightning... analogous to do not smoke and get cancer... they use shock advertising to get attention... and without getiing into a holy war there are some unbelievable memo's about what additives were added and the truth is cigarettes would have to be banned due to these additives if they were regulated as the US regulated food and drugs....

"Tobacco additives influenced how nicotine worked on the brain and included agents that affected a cigarette's taste, smell and smoke. Some were believed to make the product more addictive or more palatable to children, while others were believed to be dangerous."
http://74.125.45.132/search?q=cache:...lnk&cd=1&gl=us


We have several gross-adds run by state or nat'l surgeon genl...3 come to mind

1- older woman who will be dead in a few months with young kids--in her 30s lung cancer ---true story

2- esophugus takin from dead smoker---about 12 inch piece they squeeze out a ton of white puss (like toothpaste)

3- looks like pretty young (30's 40's) blond lady on the operating table

My point is there are proven Additives that are added for $$$$$$$$ sake only.

I wish wish we had this truth when i was a kid i might have never smoked--- i am glad we have it today --my kids are very anti-smoking (7th and 10th grade) and i thank the school, me and my wife and the ads by antismoking groups for helping them form their decision.

http://www.forumforthefuture.org/gre...articles/60717

the reason why those commercials are so stupid is that only 2 people die of lightning because most people don't go out and try to get struck by lightning. hundreds of thousands of people smoke compared to quite a few less who carry lightning rods during a storm, so to compare that to smoking and say it is less dangerous is just stupid. you aren't going to die if you light up a cigarette. however there is a pretty high chance that if you're struck by lightning or drop your toaster in the bathtub, you will die. that is like saying only a few people each year are killed by swords, so they are safer than guns. not true, there are just more people who own guns than there are people who own swords.

they always throw those facts out there, the anti-smoking groups, but where is the evidence of any of this? have you actually seen this "memo" you mentioned? or did "they" just tell you about it? additives are added in cigarettes, no one here is denying that, but those additives do not include cyanide or formaldehyde and never have. i find that the anti-smoking groups always have "facts" that they love to bring up, yet i haven't seen much, if any, evidence that these "facts" are true. another series of commercials i remember (these are US ones, i remember seeing them on late at night on Spike TV or something like that) featured what they (truth.com) claimed were actual transcripts of tobacco company executives having a marketing meeting, discussing horrible things like how to get kids hooked on smoking. first of all, i wasn't aware that tobacco executives actually had people taking transcripts of their meetings and writing down every word. notes, yes, but an entire transcript of every word said in the meeting? considering the things they're discussing, you would think that's a bad idea, no? but the truth (.com) of it is that they made it all up under the belief that people already think these guys are scum, so they can say whatever they want about them and people will believe it. in my book that makes them hypocrites, because how long have the anti-smoking lobbyists been ragging on big tobacco for all the lies they have told? again, it seems they believe that if the lie has good intentions, then it's ok. it's the same thing with all the "facts" you see in anti-drug ads about marijuana.

one last thing, and i'm sure this will not be a popular sentiment, but i feel it should be said: the tobacco industry is an industry like any other, yet they have been oppressed like no other industry ever has. well of course, their products are addictive and kill people, right? but alcohol seems to be an accepted killer in society. why is that? how many people die from drunk-driving related accidents each year? how many die from liver failure or other diseases related to alcoholism? yet you don't constantly hear cries to shut down the alcohol industry. so why is everyone picking on tobacco? i hate trying to defend these lying scumbags, but the fact is that they don't force anyone to smoke. people choose to smoke of their own free will, and i don't think the tobacco companies should be persecuted for selling a product that is demanded by the public, even if that product is essentially poison. especially since there are other industries who are essentially doing the same thing (profiting off of death and misery) and getting away with it. of course if they had been honest about the product they sell instead of lying and trying to cover up the blatantly obvious hazards of smoking, maybe the situation would be different. so i guess they made their own beds, they have to lay in them now. but the hypocrisy in this issue is one that always surprises me. i guess it really is a case of "pick your poison."

[staropeace]

Anyone hear about this that has been talked about on the news lately......third hand smoke?

http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=18458

[Moderator]

They tried Prohibition in the United States devious1, and after its dismal failure, they probably realized they couldn't ban tobacco usage altogether after having allowed it to be legal. I made that distinction since they have not done the same for "recreational" drug usage, although that may also have something to do with not having any large corporations with lobbyists already in place to protect their interests.

[Kim L.]

The US susbsidizes tobacco growers; they're hardly oppressed. Cynaide and formaldehyde are by-products of burning tobacco. Nicotine was added to make cigarettes and other tobacco products more addictive, and it works well: tobacco is as difficult if not more difficult to quit than heroin and by the sheer numbers of users causes more suffering.
Bad enough that it causes cancer (lung, esophagus, bladder, possibly breast), but heart disease, emphysema, stroke, and suseptibility to colds, flu and pneumonia.

[devious1]

They tried Prohibition in the United States devious1, and after its dismal failure, they probably realized they couldn't ban tobacco usage altogether after having allowed it to be legal. I made that distinction since they have not done the same for "recreational" drug usage, although that may also have something to do with not having any large corporations with lobbyists already in place to protect their interests.

well i know all about prohibition and it's total failure, but that wasn't the point i was getting at. cigarettes will not be banned or prohibited, even the anti-smoking lobbyists know that. but there are so many regulations on tobacco companies that don't apply to other companies that it puts them on an unfair playing field. i don't know if there are similar bans down in the US but here in Canada they made it illegal for cigarette companies to advertise at all. no ads in magazines, no more sponsorships of sporting events, nothing. meanwhile alcohol ads and sponsorships are everywhere. not to mention all the taxes they add to the price of cigarettes, alcohol isn't taxed nearly as much as cigarettes are. in Canada right now, because of all the extra taxes they add to the sale of cigarettes and tobacco, the federal government actually makes more profit from the sale of tobacco than the tobacco companies do! i just can't figure out why one industry that sells poison gets singled out and picked on while other "industries of death" are essentially allowed to operate with impunity. it doesn't seem fair or reasonable to me.

[staropeace]

Kim,remember how many colds and lung infections I use to get? Not one since I quit.............

I have so much energy,if I am not outside walking.....I am inside pacing....I think my cat,Hercules,thinks that I am a stalker now........

[rjt65]

Devious

many memo's are available and yes i have seen them as they were leaked by employees and made public in court cases. feel free to google and do the research yourself if you want to know more..

Cig companies targeted kids, COVERED up the fact they knew it was bad for your health and knew the crap they were putting in there (Additives) made it worse. (yah last x years people and companies now have the knowledge but all we ever saw years ago was a surgeon generals warning that it could be hazardous to your health.

Drinking another issue entirely and I am not going to go there but that will not make smoking companies right . I i think u raise some valid points on advertising ads etc for drinks)

I am not saying cigs should be illegal tomorrow but they should be under the same FDA rules as others
To say the poor cig companies are unfairly singled out is ridiculous they made their LYING bed now they have to pay the piper. I speak of the US and know they are not put under what every other consumer product has to pass.... FDA rules.. simply put they would go out of business because they are doing so much wrong (PEsticides, additives, etc) even a potato chip has to pass FDA rules.

Tobacco another big interest money lobbying bully that had the gov't in hip pocket. now that is changing. i say thank-ya for that!

[MadamMack]

Well, in all honesty - I don`t want to quit.

I like it...and you got to die from something anyhow, right ?


Yeah, tell me this and that but...I like it.

I won`t quit, unless IT quits me.

Please don't smoke around your daughter.