We're with the government, we're here to help you.

[CorbinKale]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/08/07/mayor.warrant/index.html

These cowardly, dog-killing, government thugs should be charged with murder. Just more evidence backing up my theory of human nature. People who desire power over others, often gravitate to jobs that provide them a good supply of victims.

[Spideyman]

I will refrain from comment, for now.
Instead, I offer my deepest sympathy to this family over the loss of their two companions. My heart breaks for the loss of these dogs .

[peterjones]

So what.

Get over it.

Every thing we know now is gonna be gone with the wind in a generation or less.

These will be the good old days.

[Todash]

I don't know what exactly happened or why, but I would agree that on the surface it appears that something inappropriate happened.

[Harley Wench]

There are really no words to respond to this...at least without getting the moderators cramps in their fingers from hitting the delete button. So sick right now I can't think straight..what next??

[henrythomasgirl]

*is SHOCKED*

That's horrible!!!!!!! OMG!!!!!

[FlakeNoir]

So what.

Get over it.

Every thing we know now is gonna be gone with the wind in a generation or less.

These will be the good old days.

:eek2: Welcome to the board! :tongue:
Psssst, and who the hell gave my old man permission to get himself an account here?! :oops:



And Spidey? I can't comment on this either. I just don't like the taste of soap dammit!

[Kim L.]

i will refrain from comment, for now.
Instead, i offer my deepest sympathy to this family over the loss of their two companions. My heart breaks for the loss of these dogs .

awss.

[Arnesen]

I read this story days ago. It is appalling, and I am happy that the Mayor is seeking a federal investigation. I have heard such stories before where they get the wrong house when they have a warrant (yes, they can make honest mistakes), but there seems to be a breakdown of procedure here. Not to mention that a warrant cannot be produced. There has to be some sort of crackdown in this type of police action. If this is legal, why do we have the Fourth Amendment?

I cannot express how I feel about the dogs. My cat is dear to me. I would never get over seeing him slaughtered. The article I read the other day said one of the dogs was running away and was still shot. These officers should be fired at the least, and the family should sue for the intentional infliction of emotional distress, but it's hard to sue the government.

[hipmamajen]

I read that, and I can't even imagine. :(

[Patricia A]

:eek2: Welcome to the board! :tongue:
Psssst, and who the hell gave my old man permission to get himself an account here?! :oops:



And Spidey? I can't comment on this either. I just don't like the taste of soap dammit!
LMAO! Thanks Flake, you're good for my blood pressure to be sure!

[Tery]

No warrant? Yep, investigate this.

Corbin, I am with you 100% on abusive people finding a job that allows them to get away with it. Should background checks of potential employees should include some mental evaluations as well?

[JohnDalglish]

awss.

Hi,

AWK&SS.

Long days and pleasant nights

[brownmouse]

I actually had something similar happen- but not nearly as horrific.

My husband was going out of town for a few days and I was a nervous wreck because he was flying - and I had been dealing with a lot of anxiety of the late. Anyway the evening he was in air I was sick with a fever and sitting watching cartoons with our then 3 year old daughter.-I was looking real pretty with sweat pants on and an old flannel of my husband's, my hair was all a whacky and -well, I looked pretty scary.Anyway- I thought I kept seeing a bright light flash outside our house but we were sitting in the bottom level of our house (we live in a tri- level) and the windows are smallish and hard to see out of. - I dismissed it as a cough syrup effect. But then there was this harsh knock at our front door. I went up and almost fell on my knees when I saw a pair of policemen there. First thing that came in my anxious, medicined mind was that my husband's plane crashed and here they were to tell me. My 2 golden retrievers(big dogs , granted) were at my side barking up a storm. The 2 cops said" Step outside , mam." I said " Is it my husband? Are you here about my husband?" and they just said , louder"STEP OUTSIDE , MAM,"- rather meanly. I was still convinced my husband's plane crashed and didn't really take note of their tone so I said , again "Is my husband OK?" at this point they got real mean, real fast. They started yelling at me to "STEP OUTSIDE" and then they were yelling "PUT THE DOGS UP, MAM!! PUT THE DOGS UP!!!" In my confusion I remember thinking ' put them up? How do I put 2 100lb dogs up anywhere? I then kinda shook off some confusion and told them I could not step outside as I have a special needs daughter (who was starting to make her way upstairs, ready to cry from all the noise) and couldn't leave her alone in the house. I said they could come inside - and I could tell that surprised them- but then I thought- what if they were impersonating policemen and so I asked for ID- they refused to show me- REALLY_ they said- 'you can see we are the police- see our car?" and I was so confused and still worrying about my husband ( though I kinda figured it couldn't be that - why would they be so darn mean if something had happened to him) that I let them in- I could kick myself- not because they did anything bad when I let them in but they HAVE to show id if asked and I let them walk all over me.-and I wish I had their names! Oh, at this time I had let my dogs out back- They came inside and their demeanor changed( I think they were expecting a mess of a house and, for once- thank- goodness- it was clean) - I could see it- and the younger cop asks me my last name- I told him and he goes to the older cop "didn't they say it was Brown?" and the older one says, kinda , hushed, "that doesn't matter" and then they ask" Is this Clemmont St?" and I'm like "No, this is ..... Circle- that street is DOWN ONE!!"- at this time my daughter is crying and I am trying to soothe her and they are starting to look rather sheepish. They kind of slink out of my house without even an apology- my daughter is freaking out - and all my neighbors are on their front stoops watching. Later I found out there was a call for child neglect ON THE STREET NEXT TO ME - same house number as me-The bas@#@!s They scared the crap out of me and my daughter- and I had to go and explain everything to all my neighbors- who know me and , thank- goodness- believed me. My daughter was scared of policemen for years- really. I just wish I had gotten their names.

[Draga]

That's awful! :sad: :mad:

[Terry B]

I remember reading about this before. No excuse for killing those animals. NONE!

[Tery]

That's awful, brownmouse! And this was on something as benign as a domestic call? You should have got their names so they could get a reprimand. Even so, if you'd called the police the next day you probably could have filed a complaint as they would know who it was. Honestly, some of them think they are gestapo :glare:

[Todash]

Holy cow, brownmouse. "See our car?" Yes, because no one could buy a Caprice Classic or a Crown Vic, paint it, and get some bubble lights. :glare: I'm with you ... I wish you had gotten their names. That just ain't right.

[hipmamajen]

Geez Brownmouse, what a scary story! You'd think law enforcement would know their way around town. >roll eyes<

[CorbinKale]

I tried to find a statement from PETA on this incident, but found nothing. I will continue my search.

[Charms7]

These are horrific incidents, CorbinKale and brownmouse. It is beyond words. Prayers for all.

[arista]

I just find the killing of the dogs so sad and unnecessary.

[Luli]

I actually had something similar happen- but not nearly as horrific.

My husband was going out of town for a few days and I was a nervous wreck because he was flying - and I had been dealing with a lot of anxiety of the late. Anyway the evening he was in air I was sick with a fever and sitting watching cartoons with our then 3 year old daughter.-I was looking real pretty with sweat pants on and an old flannel of my husband's, my hair was all a whacky and -well, I looked pretty scary.Anyway- I thought I kept seeing a bright light flash outside our house but we were sitting in the bottom level of our house (we live in a tri- level) and the windows are smallish and hard to see out of. - I dismissed it as a cough syrup effect. But then there was this harsh knock at our front door. I went up and almost fell on my knees when I saw a pair of policemen there. First thing that came in my anxious, medicined mind was that my husband's plane crashed and here they were to tell me. My 2 golden retrievers(big dogs , granted) were at my side barking up a storm. The 2 cops said" Step outside , mam." I said " Is it my husband? Are you here about my husband?" and they just said , louder"STEP OUTSIDE , MAM,"- rather meanly. I was still convinced my husband's plane crashed and didn't really take note of their tone so I said , again "Is my husband OK?" at this point they got real mean, real fast. They started yelling at me to "STEP OUTSIDE" and then they were yelling "PUT THE DOGS UP, MAM!! PUT THE DOGS UP!!!" In my confusion I remember thinking ' put them up? How do I put 2 100lb dogs up anywhere? I then kinda shook off some confusion and told them I could not step outside as I have a special needs daughter (who was starting to make her way upstairs, ready to cry from all the noise) and couldn't leave her alone in the house. I said they could come inside - and I could tell that surprised them- but then I thought- what if they were impersonating policemen and so I asked for ID- they refused to show me- REALLY_ they said- 'you can see we are the police- see our car?" and I was so confused and still worrying about my husband ( though I kinda figured it couldn't be that - why would they be so darn mean if something had happened to him) that I let them in- I could kick myself- not because they did anything bad when I let them in but they HAVE to show id if asked and I let them walk all over me.-and I wish I had their names! Oh, at this time I had let my dogs out back- They came inside and their demeanor changed( I think they were expecting a mess of a house and, for once- thank- goodness- it was clean) - I could see it- and the younger cop asks me my last name- I told him and he goes to the older cop "didn't they say it was Brown?" and the older one says, kinda , hushed, "that doesn't matter" and then they ask" Is this Clemmont St?" and I'm like "No, this is ..... Circle- that street is DOWN ONE!!"- at this time my daughter is crying and I am trying to soothe her and they are starting to look rather sheepish. They kind of slink out of my house without even an apology- my daughter is freaking out - and all my neighbors are on their front stoops watching. Later I found out there was a call for child neglect ON THE STREET NEXT TO ME - same house number as me-The bas@#@!s They scared the crap out of me and my daughter- and I had to go and explain everything to all my neighbors- who know me and , thank- goodness- believed me. My daughter was scared of policemen for years- really. I just wish I had gotten their names.

That's horrible and traumatizing! :oo:

[Luli]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/08/07/mayor.warrant/index.html

These cowardly, dog-killing, government thugs should be charged with murder. Just more evidence backing up my theory of human nature. People who desire power over others, often gravitate to jobs that provide them a good supply of victims.

I can't believe they did that! It's not very logical that they just shoot the dogs for no apparent reason. :oo:

[rose key]

Over a package of marijuana they break down the door and shoot the dogs?
How did they get a "no-knock warrant" for something like this?? There was no reason to believe these people were violent, why would they enter the house like that? I hope those officers get relieved of duty.
And Brownmouse, you're so lucky they didn't shoot your dogs, too. They have some cojones not to even apologize for scaring you and your daughter!!

[BlackThorn]

Oh my god, there might be a package of marijuana! Think of the lives that will be lost if that package makes it to its destination! SHOOT ANYTHING THAT MOVES!!!

Come on, if the guy really was doing anything serious with dope, he would have already paid for his protection. It's really not hard to get it, especially when you're at that type of political status. He would have been on a list, that the higher ups that designed these types of operations, would make sure he stayed clear from even being noticed. Matter of fact, maybe that's why this bust went down. It said they only knew his wife's name. Maybe this is a botched cartel protection.

And sure, the comment explaining how 'the dogs would have hindered the special forces operation' was true. They would have been in the faces of the special units, and there might have been some licking and wagging involved. Ugh, I swear, I'm far too vindictive for this earth. The ones who designed this "bust" would be in some really deep water with me if this sort of thing went down, and I'm not an idiot when it comes to 'cask of amontillado' worthy repercussions. A mans home is his castle. If he can't feel safe there, where can he? Examples would be made from this.

And a no-knock warrant? Jesus hell! If someone bursts into my home with body armor or black hoods on, and shouts, "FBI, ON THE FLOOR!!!"... hell, how do you know it's even them? Maybe they're terrorists, or thieves. If I didn't honestly understand and trust who it was that invading my home, I'd probably just start shooting back, and lots of people would die.

[Narcissus]

They've been covering this on our local news..and I too think its awful. A no knock warrant for a package of weed is ridiculous. And yeah, if they broke into the house the dogs would cause issues as their instinct is to protect the family..so don't break in. I have a brother-n-law who's a cop, and I'm friends with people on both sides of the law here in my town, and they ALL think this was a travesty

[PatInTheHat]

But the ends always justifies the means in the war on drugs...right...or anything for that matter:glare:?

This is just the most recent incident, some are even more tragic and atrocious.

A 92 year old lady in Atlanta by the name of Katheryn Johnston was shot and killed a couple of years ago and the depth of the "legal" depravity the came out of that was, well, depraved...and unfortunately not as uncommon as most would like to believe.

Read this if you sleep all warm and cozy at night, safe in the knowledge that the authorities are there only to serve and protect...and you wish to maybe sleep not so warm & cozy.
(Ahh hell, what are the odds really, afterall, Katheryn Johnston lived a whole 92 years before she was murdered (yes, I say murdered) in her home by those that swore to serve and protect her...so that she could sleep all warm and cozy...in safety..in her own home.)

http://www.reason.com/news/show/123632.html

This is one of the best written pieces I've read of this particular case (I have more, too many), with more information that was given out in the main stream media in the aftermath and subsequent investigation.
(I only mention this case because it's the one that made my head explode...I'm still cleaning up the mess:sad:.)

Control freaks & moralistic hypocrites spreading the word and infection, armed with nothing more than propaganda and laughably false "science"...oh, and not to mention government issued fat checks based on performance & quotas, sure make life a tad more interesting don't they?

[CorbinKale]

Pat, that is just one in a constant stream of corruption and incompetence from those who swear to protect and serve us.

Don't read this one unless you have a few hours before you need to eat or sleep:

http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2008/08/support-your-local-rape-gang.html

[Terry B]

I actually had something similar happen- but not nearly as horrific.

My husband was going out of town for a few days and I was a nervous wreck because he was flying - and I had been dealing with a lot of anxiety of the late. Anyway the evening he was in air I was sick with a fever and sitting watching cartoons with our then 3 year old daughter.-I was looking real pretty with sweat pants on and an old flannel of my husband's, my hair was all a whacky and -well, I looked pretty scary.Anyway- I thought I kept seeing a bright light flash outside our house but we were sitting in the bottom level of our house (we live in a tri- level) and the windows are smallish and hard to see out of. - I dismissed it as a cough syrup effect. But then there was this harsh knock at our front door. I went up and almost fell on my knees when I saw a pair of policemen there. First thing that came in my anxious, medicined mind was that my husband's plane crashed and here they were to tell me. My 2 golden retrievers(big dogs , granted) were at my side barking up a storm. The 2 cops said" Step outside , mam." I said " Is it my husband? Are you here about my husband?" and they just said , louder"STEP OUTSIDE , MAM,"- rather meanly. I was still convinced my husband's plane crashed and didn't really take note of their tone so I said , again "Is my husband OK?" at this point they got real mean, real fast. They started yelling at me to "STEP OUTSIDE" and then they were yelling "PUT THE DOGS UP, MAM!! PUT THE DOGS UP!!!" In my confusion I remember thinking ' put them up? How do I put 2 100lb dogs up anywhere? I then kinda shook off some confusion and told them I could not step outside as I have a special needs daughter (who was starting to make her way upstairs, ready to cry from all the noise) and couldn't leave her alone in the house. I said they could come inside - and I could tell that surprised them- but then I thought- what if they were impersonating policemen and so I asked for ID- they refused to show me- REALLY_ they said- 'you can see we are the police- see our car?" and I was so confused and still worrying about my husband ( though I kinda figured it couldn't be that - why would they be so darn mean if something had happened to him) that I let them in- I could kick myself- not because they did anything bad when I let them in but they HAVE to show id if asked and I let them walk all over me.-and I wish I had their names! Oh, at this time I had let my dogs out back- They came inside and their demeanor changed( I think they were expecting a mess of a house and, for once- thank- goodness- it was clean) - I could see it- and the younger cop asks me my last name- I told him and he goes to the older cop "didn't they say it was Brown?" and the older one says, kinda , hushed, "that doesn't matter" and then they ask" Is this Clemmont St?" and I'm like "No, this is ..... Circle- that street is DOWN ONE!!"- at this time my daughter is crying and I am trying to soothe her and they are starting to look rather sheepish. They kind of slink out of my house without even an apology- my daughter is freaking out - and all my neighbors are on their front stoops watching. Later I found out there was a call for child neglect ON THE STREET NEXT TO ME - same house number as me-The bas@#@!s They scared the crap out of me and my daughter- and I had to go and explain everything to all my neighbors- who know me and , thank- goodness- believed me. My daughter was scared of policemen for years- really. I just wish I had gotten their names.

<<<<<<<<<<<Brownmouse>>>>>>>>>>>>>

You have got to be one of the sweetest people in the world. I would have been spitting mad and probably would have ended up in jail. How awful for you and your daughter to have to go through. The insensitivity. Did you ever report their behavior to anyone?

[Kim L.]

That's horrible and traumatizing! :oo:

AWLS, brownmouse. So sorry you had to go through that.

[smjohn]

Those dogs could have easily been children.

[bloodroses]

The loss of a beloved animal friend can be as devestating as losing a child my heart goes out to them but remember we are only as good as the people we pick to represent us so do something about it!

[Vegetable in Glasses]

Okay, I just typed a 4 paragraph response to this thread, and found out at the end that my connection timed out. The whole thing went todash! :glare:
Anyway, the gist of the thing was that I think all police officers are given a psych evaluation before they start work, but don't ever have one again unless there are charges brought against them. I think that the job itself dehumanizes and desensitizes people over time. It's the nature of the beast when the only people you interact with on a regular basis are criminals. I think, quite strongly, that the tests should be administered on a regular basis throughout the career for all police officers, federal agents, prison guards and military service persons.
Anyone who is interested in the witnesses who stood by and did nothing should check out the documentary "The Human Behavior Experiments" It aired on the Sundance Channel a few months back, and scared the crap out of me. I know from past incidents that I am a stand up and interfere person, damn the consequences, but didn't realize how unusual it is to be so.

"All that is necessary for the success of evil is for good people to do nothing"

[CorbinKale]

Another horror story. This one has a happy ending.

http://www.wlky.com/news/17195591/detail.html

[BlackThorn]

Okay, I just typed a 4 paragraph response to this thread, and found out at the end that my connection timed out. The whole thing went todash! :glare:
Anyway, the gist of the thing was that I think all police officers are given a psych evaluation before they start work, but don't ever have one again unless there are charges brought against them. I think that the job itself dehumanizes and desensitizes people over time...

Hehe, that happens to me a lot. It happened to me yesterday in the Eluria discussion thread. I'll sometimes cut and paste the little block of text before I hit 'preview'. Also, what might work, is hitting the 'back' button on your browser, and then clicking the EDIT and UNDO button. Sometimes... your text can instantly reappear, although it's not always something you can count on.

There was an incident in a town I used to live in. There was this guy, who lived in a trailer. Within a few years, he was putting up a pretty decent house. Now, he hadn't worked much at all, through out the entire time he came up with money to build the house. Nor did his wife work, although, there were always about fifty cars in the driveway.

The article in the Journal Tribune stated, that the MDEA, (aka the Maine Drug Enforcement Agency) had been watching this guy for a long time. As a matter of fact, they had plans for what to do with this character. They were aware he was getting bales of marijuana driven to him and dropped off by very large players, from down in the New York/Massachusetts area. The MDEA wanted to just sit back and watch, continue to gather information, and bust them at their leisure.

Now, everybody in town knew about this guy. I never met him, bless the Gods, but this stuff completely becomes common knowledge, after the first seven times kids get busted coming home from this guys house, and they blab to every inch of the compass the complete story of where they got their stuff. To quote from the movie 'Suicide Kings', "the word on the street is usually the truth."

So one day, while the son of the guy who's pickin' up the quantity, is out cruising around running red lights smoking endless dope in his brand new car his daddy bought him, and the cops pull him over. Hey look, a big bag of dope. Well, let's go back to your house, the cops say. The cops get there, and they claim they can smell the marijuana all the way outside the house. So they kick in the door, wave the .44, and now, they're in charge of the bust. To cover their asses, they have a greased judge hand them a post-dated warrant, saying they were allowed to kick the door in.

The four police officers claimed they found 25 pounds of marijuana in the bust. By the way, that's about a bale. Ten kilos is about 22 pounds, although it might weigh more or less from the factories or Mexicans or Dominicans or wherever they get this stuff from.

I talked to someone who was this guys buddy, who gave him all his connections, and he explained that there were five bales in his house during the bust. That's 125 pounds of marijuana, separated into about 25 pound bails, all neatly compressed into a square block, and covered and stretched over with thick shrink wrap. I think the police also claimed they found $25,000 or $80,000 or something in cash (I forget how much the individual cops must have walked out with), but I've also been told, that the money from the bulk of the pickup was dropped the day prior to the bust.

See, one of the reasons the MDEA would wait in this situation, is so they could get them either during or directly after the pickup. But no, the local police, who wanted to get the credit and who wanted to drive home with some extra cash and a bale of marijuana each with a street value of about $40,000 a piece, decided it was completely within their jurisdiction to do so.

This isn't cops that turned bad over time. This is some greasy scuzz who didn't think they got paid enough for their work, and wanted a chance alone with someones cookie jar.

From my experience, about 90% of law enforcement personnel were the kids with the acne that got pushed around and were unwanted in high school, and joined the force so they could be able to push whoever they felt around out of high school. When I was in school, you only need a high school diploma to become a cop. I think it may be more now, but if so, it's not by much.

I'm sure it's pretty hard to not be dirty, when you're a cop, and when you don't see anyone watching over you and keeping you in check. This is why Desperation was so scary to me, especially at the beginning. I was worried about what might happen if I got pulled over a while after I read that story.

[brownmouse]

Geez Brownmouse, what a scary story! You'd think law enforcement would know their way around town. >roll eyes<

I know!!!

"Holy cow, brownmouse. "See our car?" Yes, because no one could buy a Caprice Classic or a Crown Vic, paint it, and get some bubble lights. I'm with you ... I wish you had gotten their names. That just ain't right."-Todash

I know !!!!!!!!!!

"That's awful, brownmouse! And this was on something as benign as a domestic call? You should have got their names so they could get a reprimand. Even so, if you'd called the police the next day you probably could have filed a complaint as they would know who it was. Honestly, some of them think they are gestapo"-Tery

"I know !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Thanks, guys, for the empathy!!:smile2:

[KLBurnham]

If I heard authorites say 'We're with the government, we're here to help you', I'd run like hell....lol...I don't have too much faith in the government.

[CorbinKale]

Two off-duty transit cops 'road rage' on some guy's head.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2008/08/18/2008-08-18_2_cops_are_charged_in_bronx_road_rage_pi.html

[CorbinKale]

Just when you thought NOLA's government couldn't be more ridiculous. Ray 'Chocolate City' Nagin to receive an award for his mythical post-Katrina recovery efforts.

http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2008/08/and_the_winner_is_unclear.html

[Tery]

Oh geez! I guess Brownie will be next? :umm:

Thanks for being alert to things like this, Corbin!

[CorbinKale]

Oh geez! I guess Brownie will be next? :umm:

Thanks for being alert to things like this, Corbin!

Yeah, Brownie did "one heck of a good job", huh? :eek2: The head of FEMA is a pretty important position, and it was irresponsible for Bush to pick someone with little experience.

Whenever I come across government officials grossly abusing their authority, I will post it in this thread.

[CorbinKale]

Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department has massive problems with officers abusing authority.

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080821/NEWS02/808210497

[Tery]

Glad to hear it, Corbin. :D

As for Brownie, when I heard that the only experience he had was as President of a horseman's association, I could only sigh and shake my head. Nepotism wins the day again.

[CorbinKale]

This is in direct violation of the 4th Amendment.

New legislation to allow FBI investigations with no basis of suspicion. What could possibly go wrong?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/21/washington/21fbi.html?_r=3&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&ref=us&adxnnlx=1219425744-l0v5mD7zf8OnC6n1wPHP4A

[CorbinKale]

Another Indianapolis bad cop.

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080822/NEWS02/808220458/1282/NEWS02

[CorbinKale]

Call the police, and get sued.

http://cbs13.com/local/deputies.sue.widow.2.799848.html

[Tery]

Wow! They've really gone apes**t in St. Paul! Corbin, have you seen this...?!?

http://www.salon.com/opinion/keillor/2008/09/03/republican_convention/index.html

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/01/donna_brazile_hit_by_pepper_sp.html

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/09/01/protests/

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/01/democracy_now_host_and_produce.html

And have a look at video from indybay.org

Yes, there were some anarchists who went bats**t crazy, too. And they should be arrested for vandalism. But the police there have raided homes to arrest iWitness film makers (how did they know where they were?), rounded up by-standers and held them for just being in the area, they impounded the bus of a family that travels around the country teaching sustainable gardening leaving them and their animals homeless on the freeway.

What the hell? :sad:

[CorbinKale]

Yep, it is a sign of the times. Government violating the citizen's rights under color of law, and rioters protesting and proclaiming their right to violate other's rights. Madness.

May I be so bold to opine that anarchists and police go together like sadists and masochists. They deserve each other.

[CorbinKale]

http://cbs2chicago.com/local/chicago.summer.shootings.2.810166.html

Looks like Mayor Daley's city-wide disarmed victim zone is working out great. :eek2:

[CorbinKale]

A perfect example of the consequences of trading liberty for imaginary security. POHM?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2696031/Anti-terrorism-laws-used-to-spy-on-noisy-children.html

[CorbinKale]

The police will protect you...

http://cbs2chicago.com/local/police.sergeant.shooting.2.814986.html

Here is the case filed against Chicago, et al.

http://207.41.16.133/rfcViewFile/08cv5162cmp.pdf

[CorbinKale]

Always wanted to stalk the streets with a gun and a badge, giving orders to the little people, but have a pesky criminal record? Your prayers are answered! Chicago is hiring! A disarmed populace awaits your protective shield!

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/1150415,CST-NWS-board08.article

[PatInTheHat]

Always wanted to stalk the streets with a gun and a badge, giving orders to the little people, but have a pesky criminal record? Your prayers are answered! Chicago is hiring! A disarmed populace awaits your protective shield!

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/1150415,CST-NWS-board08.article

I know what your saying (I honestly do), but they're really far from disarmed and just think of the bump in business in black market sales.
The cause and effect is always the same, a surge in "illegal" imports flooding in, which in turn creates more "legal" criminals...it's quite a cycle ain't it?

When folks say crime doesn't pay, why they're just simply delusional!
Crime truly pays across the board on all economic levels and this is a prime example on how to do it properly with a most certain impact.

Let's not forget the bigger bump in the soon to expand (again & again & again...) incarceration "industry".
It gets riper for the picking each and every year...Joliet will soon be needing another room addition I'm sure and the privatization of incarceration facilities aspect of it all, well it's just mind boggling.

But what can you expect from knee jerking reactionaries looking for safety blanket solutions and crying outrage, instead of addressing the very real root causes of the problems that creates their concerns in the first place.
Well, why should they really, not when they can help spawn new industry for multitudes of investors, and at the very same time feel like they've really done something.
That warm & fuzzy feeling must "feel" priceless, especially when looking at a decent quarterly report:glare:!
(this is truly one area where liberal and conservative agendas, converge in a zenishly odd meeting of...well, whatever it is they're supposed to be about at this particular time in history)

In my opinion, decisions like this are simply no different in their effect, than stockholder meetings deciding which action to take to increase a bottom line.
Money will be flying everywhere...except where it really needs to go..of course.

I liked it sooo much better when the phrase "if it makes ya feel good, do it" , meant something entirely different...my definition however, hasn't changed one lick:blush:...:oh:uh oh!

[CorbinKale]

You got it. Think how many people are employed by criminals. Police, lawyers, legislators, the whole judicial system, security products, fencing contractors, prisons, social workers... the list is endless. It is not hyperbole to say that if crime suddenly stopped tomorrow, our whole economy would collapse. How many doors don't have locks? Brinks and ADT run their security system commercial non-stop. The one thing you never see on those commercials is the burglar being held at gunpoint, to wait the 15 minutes it takes the police to arrive. WHY? Because a self-reliant, independent populace undercuts the machine. If you aren't terrified and dependent, they can't profit from you.

The government has morphed from an institution to protect our rights, into a self-perpetuating machine that violates our rights in the name of 'protecting us' creating more crimes to protect us from, justifying further encroachment upon our rights. Just like the Founders predicted.

I challenge anyone to ask ANY law enforcement officer if he can tell you what the 1st Amendment says. He might pull out his Miranda card, but the LAST thing on a Law enforcement officer's mind is your rights. That is not his job. His job is to 'protect and serve' by putting your butt into the system that feeds him. His pension is VASTLY more important to him than your Constitutional rights. He is just following orders, of course.

Restoration of the Constitution is the answer. I, also, think the police should have to pass a test on Constitutional rights before we are subjected to their protection.

[billcorn]

:sad::sad:hi

[Tery]

Restoration of the Constitution is the answer.

A-FREAKIN-MEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CorbinKale]

Can you imagine this happening in a U.S. city? Telegraph, indeed. You won't be able to say you didn't see THIS coming.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2957428/Sharia-law-courts-operating-in-Britain.html

[CorbinKale]

Dog-killers strike, again.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/sep/11/dogs-owners-question-why-police-killed-rocky/

[CorbinKale]

This is the Federal Law preventing the military from being used as a police force.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

This is the government breaking that law.
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/

What could possibly go wrong?

[BlackThorn]

I LOVE THE U.S. GOVERNMENT!

But then again, I also love Satan and his imp Lucifer. I wouldn't look forward to Valhalla without them. They'll be soooooooo fun to scar...

George Bush is almost out of office though, so I suppose we don't need to consider buying extra coats for the move to Canada anymore.

[rjt65]

Which is why I love Ron Paul.. Well said.


You got it. Think how many people are employed by criminals. Police, lawyers, legislators, the whole judicial system, security products, fencing contractors, prisons, social workers... the list is endless. It is not hyperbole to say that if crime suddenly stopped tomorrow, our whole economy would collapse. How many doors don't have locks? Brinks and ADT run their security system commercial non-stop. The one thing you never see on those commercials is the burglar being held at gunpoint, to wait the 15 minutes it takes the police to arrive. WHY? Because a self-reliant, independent populace undercuts the machine. If you aren't terrified and dependent, they can't profit from you.

The government has morphed from an institution to protect our rights, into a self-perpetuating machine that violates our rights in the name of 'protecting us' creating more crimes to protect us from, justifying further encroachment upon our rights. Just like the Founders predicted.

I challenge anyone to ask ANY law enforcement officer if he can tell you what the 1st Amendment says. He might pull out his Miranda card, but the LAST thing on a Law enforcement officer's mind is your rights. That is not his job. His job is to 'protect and serve' by putting your butt into the system that feeds him. His pension is VASTLY more important to him than your Constitutional rights. He is just following orders, of course.

Restoration of the Constitution is the answer. I, also, think the police should have to pass a test on Constitutional rights before we are subjected to their protection.

[Agincourt Concierge]

I read about this incident.
I didn't know warrants came with shoot-to-kill pets that weren't bothering anybody.

[CorbinKale]

Gang brags about beatings at 2008 DNC. Shocking!

http://freestudents.blogspot.com/2008/09/some-urban-areas-have-gang-problems.html

[Moderator]

Looks like they may need the money from the sales to pay their lawyers.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/09/26/denver-police-groups-convention-t-shirt-riles-protesters/

[CorbinKale]

Looks like they may need the money from the sales to pay their lawyers.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/09/26/denver-police-groups-convention-t-shirt-riles-protesters/

Thanks for that link. A little justice to brighten my day! :)

[CorbinKale]

...some are more equal than others.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2008/09/03/opp-streetracing.html

[Ri The Lousy Translator]

I can’t believe the news. I can’t believe they killed the family dogs. No matter how many excuses or trials or apologies or whatever are made later: those poor dogs won’t be alive anymore! They didn’t need to kill the pets in the first place. Or enter the house doing such a fuss. They should leave the shooting or serious repression as a last resource. Sorry, but I get mad when someone hurt animals. :mad: We need to think that if they show so little respect for people, how can’t they behave like this with animals? It’s reasonable (unfair and sad though). :sad:

Brownmouse, your story is awful too. :sad: Why some cops seem to think they could do whatever? They need to show some respect, well, at least they have to be taught about respect! I’m sorry for your bad experience. I guess there are bad policemen everywhere... The good part I truly believe they’re not all the same, that there are good policemen and that we can still trust them. Right? :eyebrow:

PS: The story of the rape gang is repulsive. They deserve to receive the same treatment to see what is like to be taught a lesson. :glare:

[Agincourt Concierge]

Brownmouse,
You don't need their names, every call that police go out on, is logged at the station. If you went to the chief of police and told him/her what happened, they could find out exactly who the officers were on that day/that call. I don't know how long ago that was, but you did have recourse. AND...there's always the "letters to the editor" page of your hometown newspaper, that's a good place to put stories like that. Sorry that happened to you and your family.

[CorbinKale]

When canes are outlawed, only outlaws will have canes.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1064338/Police-confiscate-walking-stick-retired-teacher-78-offensive-weapon.html

[CorbinKale]

Just...wow.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/3110196/Council-advises-homeowners-to-leave-sheds-open-for-thieves.html

[CorbinKale]

To protect... to serve... to crash your wedding...

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6044243.html

[Born In Sin]

Well I would be emailing all of you from jail, because if someone came to my house and did what they did, I could not stop myself from going insane. My pups are my kids, they mean more to me then my SK collection (I heard the gasps)!

[CorbinKale]

Cook County Sheriff announces that he will decide which laws will be enforced.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-sheriff-foreclosureoct09,0,6213711.story

[smjohn]

Cook County Sheriff announces that he will decide which laws will be enforced.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-sheriff-foreclosureoct09,0,6213711.story

Go Dart!!

[CorbinKale]

Once they have disarmed you, they can do pretty much anything they want without fear. I can't see why they just don't use numbered 'eartags'. Maybe that will be next.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/oct/27/project-midas-fingerprint-scanner-liberty

[smjohn]

Just a little note to lighten up the topic:)

DUE TO RECENT ECONOMIC CONDITIONS, AND THE RISING COST OF ELECTRICITY, GAS AND OIL, THE LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL HAS BEEN TURNED OFF.

WE APOLOGIZE FOR THE INCONVENIENCE

[brownmouse]

DUE TO RECENT ECONOMIC CONDITIONS, AND THE RISING COST OF ELECTRICITY, GAS AND OIL, THE LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL HAS BEEN TURNED OFF.

WE APOLOGIZE FOR THE INCONVENIENCE


too funny :biggrin2:

[CorbinKale]

Just a little note to lighten up the topic:)

DUE TO RECENT ECONOMIC CONDITIONS, AND THE RISING COST OF ELECTRICITY, GAS AND OIL, THE LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL HAS BEEN TURNED OFF.

WE APOLOGIZE FOR THE INCONVENIENCE

I am always afraid that light at the end of the tunnel is a train.:eek2:

[CorbinKale]

Why didn't the government save this poor guy? A better question would be 'why did they expect it to'?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,442982,00.html

[CorbinKale]

To protect and to serve... and do whatever I want.

http://wcbstv.com/local/cbs.photographer.arrested.2.849210.html

[CorbinKale]

Sheriff Rambo forgot that slavery was illegal...

http://www.texarkanagazette.com/news/localnews/2008/10/29/rambo-gets-choice-quit-or-face-charges-79.php

[Agincourt Concierge]

Wow, that was scary....

[smjohn]

Sheriff Rambo forgot that slavery was illegal...

http://www.texarkanagazette.com/news/localnews/2008/10/29/rambo-gets-choice-quit-or-face-charges-79.php

Seems to me, when you're in that position of authority, you SHOULD know ALL the rules. I can't believe she actually said the words "Hell, I don't know all the rules", to the press...Of course, she's apparently not that bright to begin with.

[CorbinKale]

Want to listen in to the Chicago cops chatter about the upcoming election riots? If you have ever uttered the phrase,"The police will protect us. That's their job!", then maybe this will disabuse you of that misapprehension.

http://secondcitycop.blogspot.com/2008/10/riot-survival-for-dummies.html

[CorbinKale]

I think this is a good idea. Sounds like something out of Starship Troopers. (The book, not the crappy movie) Except in the book, such service was optional and required only if you want to vote or hold office.

http://www.examiner.com/x-536-Civil-Liberties-Examiner~y2008m11d6-Obamas-chief-of-staff-choice-favors-compulsory-universal-service

[Moderator]

And here is the link to the Fact Sheet for Obama's plan (http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/NationalServicePlanFactSheet.pdf) on this idea so that you can read that as well.

I like the idea and think it would go over as a voluntary service commitment but don't think it would be a good idea to make it mandatory. That said, I've talked to several young adults including one of my own children who is now in college, who wish they'd had something they could have done for at least a year before they'd entered college. They felt they would have benefited from a year break going from high school to college. I wish I'd done that myself.

[Kim L.]

Seems to me, when you're in that position of authority, you SHOULD know ALL the rules. I can't believe she actually said the words "Hell, I don't know all the rules", to the press...Of course, she's apparently not that bright to begin with.

Good lord, I used to work for that newspaper.:eek2:

[Kim L.]

And here is the link to the Fact Sheet for Obama's plan (http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/NationalServicePlanFactSheet.pdf) on this idea so that you can read that as well.

I like the idea and think it would go over as a voluntary service commitment but don't think it would be a good idea to make it mandatory. That said, I've talked to several young adults including one of my own children who is now in college, who wish they'd had something they could have done for at least a year before they'd entered college. They felt they would have benefited from a year break going from high school to college. I wish I'd done that myself.

I remember this being discussed when I was in college. Agree with you that it would work best as a voluntary commitment, and I think my daughter would have benefited from such a program.

[aspergillus]

And here is the link to the Fact Sheet for Obama's plan (http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/NationalServicePlanFactSheet.pdf) on this idea so that you can read that as well.

I like the idea and think it would go over as a voluntary service commitment but don't think it would be a good idea to make it mandatory. That said, I've talked to several young adults including one of my own children who is now in college, who wish they'd had something they could have done for at least a year before they'd entered college. They felt they would have benefited from a year break going from high school to college. I wish I'd done that myself.

Ms. Mod I agree. I think it would have helped my son to have been involved in something worthwhile before entering college. Might have given him better perspective on what he wanted to do with his life. Better late than never.

[Nero]

And here is the link to the Fact Sheet for Obama's plan (http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/NationalServicePlanFactSheet.pdf) on this idea so that you can read that as well.

I like the idea and think it would go over as a voluntary service commitment but don't think it would be a good idea to make it mandatory. That said, I've talked to several young adults including one of my own children who is now in college, who wish they'd had something they could have done for at least a year before they'd entered college. They felt they would have benefited from a year break going from high school to college. I wish I'd done that myself.

I definitely like the idea, but making it mandatory is one of those things I'm against. I think it would do young people especially today a world of good to serve the community and get a sense of "we" instead of just "me".

And on my usually nonserious note, I wanted to comment on this part of the plan:

"Engage Retiring Americans in Service on a Large Scale: Older Americans have a wide range of skills and
knowledge to contribute to local and national public service efforts. New efforts are needed particularly to tap
the idealism and experience of the baby boomer generation – the largest and healthiest generation to enter
retirement in history. Every day, 10,000 boomers turn 60. Obama and Biden will challenge boomers to help
meet the challenges in our communities and our country."

Just want to quote Lloyd: "I guess it's true; senior citizens, though slow and dangerous behind the wheel, can still serve a purpose, ha!"

(don't you go dyin' on me!)

[JohnDalglish]

Hi,

In much of Europe National Service is compulsory, including Spain and Switzerland, and it consists of two years basically 9-5 plus camps and everyone learns to drive (trucks and tanks included) and shoot, plus the many specializations involved in a modern army, from medicine through catering, and everyone I knew thoroughly enjoyed it and found it a life enhancing experience.

Of course, they don't send their young people to die.

Long days and pleasant nights

[Anni M]

...some are more equal than others.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2008/09/03/opp-streetracing.html This is the biggest joke here right now...:biggrin2:
frankly, I'm embarrassed for Ontario. It puts us in a bad light. :oo:

[Moderator]

At my son's high school, a 30 hour public service project (the kids chose what it was they wanted to volunteer to do but it needed approval) was required for graduation. Many kids refer to it as "forced labor" so the spirit of service to community it is intended to promote isn't experienced by all participants. :smile2:

[CorbinKale]

At my son's high school, a 30 hour public service project (the kids chose what it was they wanted to volunteer to do but it needed approval) was required for graduation. Many kids refer to it as "forced labor" so the spirit of service to community it is intended to promote isn't experienced by all participants. :smile2:

I can understand viewing it as forced labor. There is no incentive, other than a grade. In Starship Troopers, the service was entirely optional, but was required for franchise in the government. Other than that, the society was completely free. Until you had opted to provide service to the society, you had no say in how society was run. In my opinion, it is the only way to have a long-lived democracy. It prevents society devolving to the point where the public votes itself money from the treasury, as the only people voting have already proved that they will serve at a level higher than self-interest.

[Matticus]

My experience with national service was amazing and I'm really glad I did it.

[Nero]

I can understand viewing it as forced labor. There is no incentive, other than a grade. In Starship Troopers, the service was entirely optional, but was required for franchise in the government. Other than that, the society was completely free. Until you had opted to provide service to the society, you had no say in how society was run. In my opinion, it is the only way to have a long-lived democracy. It prevents society devolving to the point where the public votes itself money from the treasury, as the only people voting have already proved that they will serve at a level higher than self-interest.

Become a citizen!

Want to know more?

[CorbinKale]

People do not become Police by accident. They actively seek a job where they are GIVEN authority over their fellow citizens. Their whole career and pension depends on a steady supply of 'criminals'. They are not concerned with your guilt or innocence. Instead, they are interested in placing you into the system that feeds them.

Your future freedom may depend on the information in this video.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4097602514885833865&hl=en

[CorbinKale]

Looks like 'Home Rule' hasn't been working out so well.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/longterm/dcpolice/deadlyforce/police1page1.htm

[smjohn]

Become a citizen!

Want to know more?

Becoming a citizen is one thing, and I agree with that. Becoming a tax-paying citizen is quite another.

[Checkman]

People do not become Police by accident. They actively seek a job where they are GIVEN authority over their fellow citizens. Their whole career and pension depends on a steady supply of 'criminals'. They are not concerned with your guilt or innocence. Instead, they are interested in placing you into the system that feeds them.

Your future freedom may depend on the information in this video.



You sure are quick to pass judgement on the 1,000,000,000 (est.) men and women who are in the profession of law enforcement in the United States.

I will be the first to tell you that there are good and bad cops. But we don't all become cops because we have visions of being some type of Nazi jackbooted thug. Incidentally nobody GIVES us the authority. You earn it and it isn't easy nor something that you take on light heartedly.

The hiring process I went through lasted approximately seven months.
There was an extensive background investigation, polygraph exam, psychological exam, several written exams, an interview with the Chief of Police, an interview with the detective who conducted my background investigation and a physical fitness test. Once I started working I had a four month in-house training period where I was accompanied by a veteran officer who both evaluated and trained me. Many a a new officer fails the Field Training Phase. I also had to attend a ten week police academy which washes people out. And of course the first year one is one probation one can be let go for no reason except that one isn't working out.

Also in the past eight years I've seen bad cops go to prison, get fired, have criminal charges brought against them or resign because of stupidity.Strangely enough the system that so many seem ready to bring down with blood and thunder worked and got those bad apples out of the barrel.

I've also seen good cops get sued for doing their job and doing it properly.I've had complaints filed on me just because I showed up somebody's front door to ask them questions in connection to an investigation I was conducting.

That article by CNN is more telling for what it does not say then what it does say. The person who most of the talking is the mayor and his wife. The same folks who had the search warrant served on them. It isn't unusual for the suspect(s) to state that they are as pure as the driven snow while the cops were out of control and criminal in their action. Exactly how close were they really to their dead dogs? Two feet or thirty feet?

That is a typical article from the news media in which the defendants get a soap box and the police don't have much chance to say anything. After eight years I've seen more than a few of these type of articles in the press.

Has the Federal Government launched a probe into this incident? Does anyone know if perhaps the good mayor and/or his family might be involved with a criminal enterprise. Can anyone say that those two dogs weren't actually attacking the officers? You're only getting one side of the story in that article.

If the deputies were wrong, criminal or negligent then so be it.

The few times we've had to shoot and kill dogs it's because they have either been attacking people or were going after an officer or a citizen. However I'm sure the owners would be very willing to tell you that the shootings were unjustified and criminal. Typically those owners were not responsible pet owners and were cited afterwards as well. SO

You have a very strong ideological stand. This is the United States and I'm a big fan of the Constitution. Especially the first ten amendments. But I thought perhaps the other side should be heard from as well since this thread was starting to seem like a punching bag session with my profession getting pummeled.

However it is not my intention or desire to start a flame war. Please don't interpret this reply as a flame. I'll be glad to continue this discussion also.

[Drawn to Ka-tet]

It's never a good idea to paint any group with a broad brush.

Thankee Sai Checkman for being a cop. We need you buddy.

Long days and pleasant nights.

[Nero]

Becoming a citizen is one thing, and I agree with that. Becoming a tax-paying citizen is quite another.

I was just quoting the military commercials from Starship Troopers that Corbin mentioned, lol. Nothing more!

[CorbinKale]

You sure are quick to pass judgement on the 1,000,000,000 (est.) men and women who are in the profession of law enforcement in the United States.

I will be the first to tell you that there are good and bad cops. But we don't all become cops because we have visions of being some type of Nazi jackbooted thug. Incidentally nobody GIVES us the authority. You earn it and it isn't easy nor something that you take on light heartedly.

The hiring process I went through lasted approximately seven months.
There was an extensive background investigation, polygraph exam, psychological exam, several written exams, an interview with the Chief of Police, an interview with the detective who conducted my background investigation and a physical fitness test. Once I started working I had a four month in-house training period where I was accompanied by a veteran officer who both evaluated and trained me. Many a a new officer fails the Field Training Phase. I also had to attend a ten week police academy which washes people out. And of course the first year one is one probation one can be let go for no reason except that one isn't working out.

Also in the past eight years I've seen bad cops go to prison, get fired, have criminal charges brought against them or resign because of stupidity.Strangely enough the system that so many seem ready to bring down with blood and thunder worked and got those bad apples out of the barrel.

I've also seen good cops get sued for doing their job and doing it properly.I've had complaints filed on me just because I showed up somebody's front door to ask them questions in connection to an investigation I was conducting.

That article by CNN is more telling for what it does not say then what it does say. The person who most of the talking is the mayor and his wife. The same folks who had the search warrant served on them. It isn't unusual for the suspect(s) to state that they are as pure as the driven snow while the cops were out of control and criminal in their action. Exactly how close were they really to their dead dogs? Two feet or thirty feet?

That is a typical article from the news media in which the defendants get a soap box and the police don't have much chance to say anything. After eight years I've seen more than a few of these type of articles in the press.

Has the Federal Government launched a probe into this incident? Does anyone know if perhaps the good mayor and/or his family might be involved with a criminal enterprise. Can anyone say that those two dogs weren't actually attacking the officers? You're only getting one side of the story in that article.

If the deputies were wrong, criminal or negligent then so be it.

The few times we've had to shoot and kill dogs it's because they have either been attacking people or were going after an officer or a citizen. However I'm sure the owners would be very willing to tell you that the shootings were unjustified and criminal. Typically those owners were not responsible pet owners and were cited afterwards as well. SO

You have a very strong ideological stand. This is the United States and I'm a big fan of the Constitution. Especially the first ten amendments. But I thought perhaps the other side should be heard from as well since this thread was starting to seem like a punching bag session with my profession getting pummeled.
However it is not my intention or desire to start a flame war. Please don't interpret this reply as a flame. I'll be glad to continue this discussion also.

No flame wars. :) We are a civil group. I will reply in a PM. I look forward to the discussion.

[CorbinKale]

Sensing his mortality, a Canadian patriot recalls lost liberty.

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/story.html?id=88a789cd-4fb1-40f8-9bf8-125004924b4b&p=1

[MrsSmeej]

I'm with Checkman on this one. Perhaps I'm being naive, but the first person I'd turn to if I were in serious trouble would be a police officer. I've only ever met the reasonable kind.

[Kim L.]

I'm with Checkman on this one. Perhaps I'm being naive, but the first person I'd turn to if I were in serious trouble would be a police officer. I've only ever met the reasonable kind.

AWMSS (And what Mrs. Smeej Said). If you're naive so am I; let's raise a glass to naivete.

[Checkman]

Thanks guys. There is a joke in law enforcement that says if you wanted to be loved you should have been a firefighter. Firefighters like another joke. Goes like this.

"What do cops and firefighters both have in common?"

"They both wanted to be firefighters when they were kids."

They both get big laughs, but the reality is I and most of my fellow officers understand that our job is one that isn't always popular with folks. But I often hear more negative statements and insults instead of words of appreciation.

It is appreciated.

[CorbinKale]

If you are liable to be called for Jury Duty, you owe it to yourself and your fellow citizens to be familiar with the responsibility. Here is what the government, not only won't tell you, but will almost certainly lie to you about.

http://www.fija.org/docs/jurors_handbook_a_citizens_guide_to_jury_duty.pdf

If you ever find yourself as a defendant in Court, pray that at least one of the twelve who are deciding your fate have educated themselves on the subject.

[CorbinKale]

If only they screened the Air Marshals as well as they screen the passengers...

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2008-11-12-air-marshals_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip

[CorbinKale]

I can imagine the conversation that led to this PR coup.

LEO #1 "Hey, what if we go under cover, then TAZE the guy while he is carrying his dead father? That would be SWEET!"

LEO #2 "Don't you think that is just a tad unreasonable? I mean, he has already agreed to surrender after the funeral..."

LEO #1 "It will teach him a valuable lesson. It is the PERFECT plan!"

LEO #2 "What about the rest of the family at the funeral? Don't you think we could show a little respect?"

LEO #1 "Dude, relax, we're the LAW. We're just doing our job."

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D94I7FQ00&show_article=1

[CorbinKale]

Nothing says, "I'm sorry", like $13,000,000.00.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-lapd20-2008nov20,0,6030307.story

[CorbinKale]

Man arrested for trying to save his pets from burning residence. Resisted without violence? Looking at his face, I'd say there may have been some violence. What further proof is needed that our lives are not our own?

http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2008/11/23/406613.html?title=Man+arrested+for+trying+to+save+pets+from+ burning+house

[CorbinKale]

Police Chief shoots himself while teaching gun safety to his daughter. Let's hope the rest of the PD was trained by someone else.

http://www.wcpo.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=32ce79a0-3109-414e-a6b1-64135bd6a810

[CorbinKale]

Cops demand 2nd Amendment Rights... and get them. Now we'll see if the people they serve can get the same consideration. I was expecting this, and now I can reveal one of the purposes behind this thread. It is not meant to trash the good people who truly protect and serve, but to provide a credible counter to the fallacy that the police are better qualified, as a group, to keep and bear arms, as opposed to the 'people'.

http://leaa.org/leosasturgis.html

[CorbinKale]

If the 'good cops' would rise up and refuse to tolerate such behavior from the 'bad cops', the victims would never be victims. Yeah, the cops got fired, but it wasn't the officers who witnessed the sadistic acts who turned them in.

The fact that the Guardsmen followed such obviously unlawful commands is disconcerting, as well. If ordered to fire on their own citizens, would they follow those orders, too?

This is the most depressing thing I have read in a year.

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/11/ap_lickgroundlawsuit_112608/

[CorbinKale]

The military assisting Law Enforcement? Doesn't that violate the Posse Comitatus Act? Not that it matters much. Expect Blackwater mercs to be deployed to circumvent any legal complications that might hinder the advance of tyranny.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27989275/

http://www.blackwaterusa.com/

[CorbinKale]

Charles County Sheriff's Office spokesperson Diane Richardson said, "The officers took extra care to conduct their police business outside the home."

Why do you need to take 'extra care' to stay outside of someone's home? :glare: If you think you might ever have to call the police, just get a cat.

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Kids-Watch-Police-Shoot-Family-Dog.html

[CorbinKale]

“Among the many misdeeds of British rule in India,” Mahatma Gandhi said, “history will look upon the act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest.” The Mumbai massacre is a bitter postscript to Gandhi’s comment. D’Souza now laments his own helplessness in the face of the killers: “I only wish I had had a gun rather than a camera.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/article5299010.ece

[CorbinKale]

In a discussion of who might fill Obama's vacated seat, I made a joke that the Illinois Governor would probably sell it to the highest bidder. Spooky when reality mirrors my twisted humor.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081209/ap_on_re_us/blagojevich_corruption_probe

[CorbinKale]

Off duty Trooper saves lives by stopping gunman in Burger King.

"It was one of those deals of being in the right place at the right time," Robinson said. "I believe he would have loaded up that gun and gone to town because he was praying for Allah to help him carry out his mission."

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20081205_16_A1_OKLAHO761585&allcom=1

[CorbinKale]

Slain student called 911, but no one came in time.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/12/16/grace.coldcase.zimmerman/index.html

[CorbinKale]

If you care to get a glimpse of what happens to a disarmed populace...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article5375668.ece

[CorbinKale]

Looks like the FBI has a record number of positions to fill, due to a sudden increase in "attrition and retirements". A cynical person might see that as evidence of jumping ship. If you thought your new boss was likely to order you to violate your Oath to the Constitution and maybe confiscate civilian owned arms, you might do the same thing. Get while the gettin' is good. Dying in an unconstitutional raid ain't much of a living.

http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE50459520090105?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews&rpc=22&sp=true

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/01/05/fbi.hiring.binge/index.html

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/18421884/detail.html?rss=den&psp=news

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/06/fbi-jobs-agency-launches_n_155666.html

[CorbinKale]

BART police officer shoots and kills a 22 year old man in custody. Video looks like an execution. Investigation is pending.

http://www.ktvu.com/video/18409133/index.html

[CorbinKale]

Update on BART shooting: Officer has not been required to make, nor offered, a statement on the shooting. Why do I think if a civilian had shot a cop, the situation would be much different? Two sets of laws? One for the government, and one for the subjects?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/01/06/BAK61540MH.DTL

[CorbinKale]

Police Detective shoves a 71 year old Walmart greeter to the floor. Despite dozens of witnesses, the Officer has not been charged.

Above the law? No wonder they don't use "to protect and to serve" anymore. We are WAY past those days.

http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_141946.asp

[CorbinKale]

Update on BART shooting: Riots erupt.

"We were prepared to compel him to talk, but he resigned," a police spokesman told The Chronicle.

You have got to be kidding me! That is like saying, "yeah, he killed the guy, but he quit the force, so we had to let him walk." This is unacceptable, and implies that the police are a superior class of citizen (contrary to all the evidence in this thread). This is government out of control. Equality under the law demands that he be treated no different than a civilian that killed a policeman.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24887896-5005961,00.html

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/01/08/BART.shooting/

[Vegetable in Glasses]

Corbin,
This thread makes it hard to sleep at night.
Thanks for staying alert. Do you think you could find links to make complaints, to maybe show that we are not a doormat populace?

[CorbinKale]

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/010609atf_f4473shortage-notice.htm

This is hilarious to me because photocopying the form prior to January 6th was a Federal crime that would cost a gun dealer his license. I celebrated this display of incompetent, clueless and blatantly unconstitutional bumbling by reloading another 300 rounds of .223 today. If you have tried to buy .223 lately, you will appreciate what I am trying to tell you. The shelves are becoming bare. If you waited to stock up for any reason, you may be too late.

Any ATF bureaucrat worth his salt should be familiar with the great Clinton gun rush prior to the first horribly misnamed 'Assault Weapons Ban' and should have seen this coming. Especially, since President elect Obama has promised a new Assault Weapons Ban under his administration, this time with some teeth and no sunset provision.

Last month (DEC 08) set a record for background checks with well over 12 million nationwide. Which begs the question, are people purchasing these firearms because they want to have something to turn in?

Interesting days ahead.

[CorbinKale]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/01/09/new.orleans.shooting/index.html

Nine NOLA police officers gun down a 22 year old man. Officers reassigned, police refuse to identify the shooters and no charges filed. FBI has been called in to investigate.

[CorbinKale]

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6195571.html

Here we go again. Another unarmed man shot in his own driveway by a police officer. Officer placed on leave, police decline to comment on the incident. Is this becoming an epidemic, or is it just me?

If I am ever a victim of crime, I will go to the police station to report it. If I called them to my house, I am concerned that I am likely to be beaten, shot or killed by the twitchy thugs that plague the Law Enforcement community these days. Remember when they used to be called Peace Officers? Now, it is all about force.

[CorbinKale]

Update on BART shooting: OAKLAND - Johannes Mehserle, the former BART police officer accused of shooting and killing an unarmed man New Year's Day, was arrested at 6:20 p.m. Tuesday on a murder charge in Nevada, officials confirmed.

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_11447812?source=most_viewed

Earlier Tuesday, Mayor Ron Dellums said he understands the anger people feel, but said taking anger out on people who had nothing to do with the shooting is an injustice in its own right.

"It's fundamentally contradictory to stand up for justice and then dispense injustice," Dellums said. "You can't operate on both planes. You can't walk both sides of the street."
-------------------------------
I think the mayor has a point. Demonstrators calling for justice by dispensing injustice is as silly as the government justifying laws infringing upon the rights of all citizens by pointing to the criminal actions of 1% of the population. The 1%, who by definition, don't obey the law, anyway.

[CorbinKale]

The Police are under no legal obligation to protect you, unless they have taken you into custody, which is what makes the BART shooting such a charged incident for the Prosecutor. If you have watched the video and followed the news, you will agree with me that the Officers standing inches away from the shooter never arrested him, even though they witnessed the murder. If the Police had witnessed a civilian murder an unarmed, prostrate man, would they have failed to arrest the shooter? Are the Police, who failed to arrest their muderous partner, guilty of dereliction of duty? Why would they not arrest a man they just saw murder another defenseless man? Thankfully, the incident was caught on video. Otherwise, this murder may have gone unpunished.

So, the next time someone tells you that you don't need to take personal responsibility for your own safety, because it is the job of the Police to protect you, cite these cases.

http://hematite.com/dragon/policeprot.html

[CorbinKale]

Sleep well. A place is being prepared for us! :eyebrow:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-645

[CorbinKale]

Another armed government employee... another dog shot... I am starting to think shooting the family pet is standard operating procedure. Do they teach cops to shoot dogs at the Academy?

http://www.idahostatesman.com/localnews/story/648659.html

[CorbinKale]

Take a picture of the Police in the UK, and risk a 10 year prison term. Disarm the populace and tyranny blossoms.

http://www.bjp-online.com/public/showPage.html?page=836675

[CorbinKale]

SCOTUS 5-4 decision allows evidence obtained by police negligence. One more giant leap towards tyranny.

“It may well be,” Professor Bradley said, “that courts will take this as a green light to ignore police negligence all over the place.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/15/washington/15scotus.html?_r=1

[CorbinKale]

15yo girl in police custody beaten. The question of why people run from the police is becoming less and less of a question.

http://www.examiner.com/x-536-Civil-Liberties-Examiner~y2009m2d28-Washington-police-officer-beat-15yearold-girl-on-video

[Maddie]

I saw this, its extremely disturbing. What rage! Even she spit in his face, which she clearly didnt do anything, he should still be prepared and handle it professionally, another sick individual with authority of uniform. It makes you wonder what goes on when they know there are no cameras, and lucky for us they sometimes forget!
[Double Post]
I caught this, couple weeks ago and I didnt see it posted here less I misssed it, a homeless man being beaten, which they were called initially to check on the well being of this man.......one of the officers 'broke his pinky' hitting this old man...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q15h0AEPdWk

[JohnDalglish]

Hi,

Yes, this (the girl) has been much shown on UK TV as a demonstration of US police brutality.

And this is from a guy who knew where the cameras were?

Long days and pleasant nights

[smjohn]

15yo girl in police custody beaten. The question of why people run from the police is becoming less and less of a question.

http://www.examiner.com/x-536-Civil-Liberties-Examiner~y2009m2d28-Washington-police-officer-beat-15yearold-girl-on-video

The a-hole is on paid admin leave.

[tillyn]

Holy crap! What an article. I'd probably have a nervous breakdown if that happened to me. I have 3 dogs love em all. But to have that happen. man.

[Tery]

The release of Justice Dept. memos should send a chill through everyone..

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/02/justice.memos.released/

They told the POTUS that he could use military action here at home. Scary stuff.

Read an actual memo if you dare:
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/warpowers925.htm

[Kim L.]

The a-hole is on paid admin leave.

For that he gets paid leave?

[CorbinKale]

Watch the Seattle cop beat the 15yo girl, again. Notice how the rookie cop makes no move to stop the assualt that is happening right in front of him. With that in mind, read the article linked below, and ask yourself if it could happen 'here'.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/africa/03/04/darfur.rape/index.html

[JohnDalglish]

Hi,

To quote Karl Marx -

'The police are the first line of defence against the working class'.

Long days and pleasant nights

[CorbinKale]

Pictures from the Alabama shooting. Check out pics 52 and 55. Baby steps in getting the public and the military ready for martial law? Posse Comitatus, anyone? I'm just sayin'.

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Ala-Shooting/ss/events/us/031109alabamashootin#photoViewer=/090312/photos_ts_afp/fae289f2724d1cdfe0c3ecef623c1bb8

[CorbinKale]

People lingered at the scene of the first shooting. About 20 bystanders taunted police.

Tension between police and the community has risen steadily since the fatal shooting of unarmed 22-year-old Oscar Grant by a transit police officer at an Oakland train station on Jan. 1.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090322/ap_on_re_us/police_shot_ca_26

I don't doubt the police were doing their duty during this incident, but the fact that a crowd gathered to jeer slain police officers is the red flag in this story.

The militarization of police forces and the fostering of an 'us vs them' mentality will end in tragedy. Impending economic collapse is likely to spark an all out war between civilians and police.

[Maddie]

did you see the photos of the military guys in the streets there? I had an article on that but cant find it, isnt it odd how, no one knows who ordered the soldiers to come there, who requested them, why they were sent and what they did there.

[CorbinKale]

did you see the photos of the military guys in the streets there? I had an article on that but cant find it, isnt it odd how, no one knows who ordered the soldiers to come there, who requested them, why they were sent and what they did there.

Weird, huh? The Provost Marshall says he called down to offer help, which is outside his authority. The Police say they called Ft. Rucker for help, which is outside their authority. Everyone is passing the buck for responsibility now, and, of course, no one can comment as it is an ongoing investigation.

[rjt65]

I hope that piece of !@## burns in hell with Pinhead stripping his flesh for eternity...

Sure there are issues but not every police officer is beating on or hurting civilians. BAD PO exist but the crazy public outnumbers them.

PO's risk their lives enforcing rules our country has passed. A simple traffic stop and 2 are shot...than the fool blindly snipes 2 more.. this guy was no shining knight and had no justification. Former charges for assaults with deadly weapons --gr8 history of crimes plus whatever he was not caught for. Again may Pinhead accompany him for etenity.

And for those people jeering at police --i am sure they were of equal caliber as mixon. the univers will reward them kindly, I am sure of it.










People lingered at the scene of the first shooting. About 20 bystanders taunted police.

Tension between police and the community has risen steadily since the fatal shooting of unarmed 22-year-old Oscar Grant by a transit police officer at an Oakland train station on Jan. 1.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090322/ap_on_re_us/police_shot_ca_26

I don't doubt the police were doing their duty during this incident, but the fact that a crowd gathered to jeer slain police officers is the red flag in this story.

The militarization of police forces and the fostering of an 'us vs them' mentality will end in tragedy. Impending economic collapse is likely to spark an all out war between civilians and police.

[Maddie]

Weird, huh? The Provost Marshall says he called down to offer help, which is outside his authority. The Police say they called Ft. Rucker for help, which is outside their authority. Everyone is passing the buck for responsibility now, and, of course, no one can comment as it is an ongoing investigation.

yea, and how ridiculous that they weren't 'armed'? did you believe that?

http://cannoneerno4.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/11alabama-shooting5501.jpg

[CorbinKale]

yea, and how ridiculous that they weren't 'armed'? did you believe that?

http://cannoneerno4.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/11alabama-shooting5501.jpg

The MPs are armed, in duty uniform and wearing their 'Police' reflective vests. Any claims that they weren't there to serve in a 'Police' capacity is an obvious lie. This is either an episode of complete incompetence on the part of the PMO, or a trial balloon to see if the public is awake to Federal transgressions.

I can already tell you the end result. The Provost Marshall will be thrown under the bus, and this will all magically disappear.

[CorbinKale]

The Second Amendment gives citizens the right to bear arms.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/our_government/the_constitution/

How about the Second Amendment provides that the Right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed?

How can someone who claims to be a Constitutional scholar believe that the Constitution gives Rights? The Bill of Rights is a list of restrictions on the government to prevent it from molesting our Natural Rights. I am so disgusted, I could spit! President Obama swore an Oath to support and defend the Constitution from all enemies. I hope this is an oversight by some clueless White House flunkie. If this misrepresentation of the Constitution is intentional, it amounts to treason.

I will contact the White House, demanding a correction, and report any response here.

[CorbinKale]

Here is the letter I sent to the contacts link on the website. I will post any response in this thread.


There is a terrible misinterpretation of the Bill of Rights on this page:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/our_government/the_constitution/

where it states, "The Second Amendment gives citizens the right to bear arms."

This is a huge embarrassment to President Obama, as he is a Constitutional Scholar. I don't hold President Obama responsible for all the mistakes on the White House website, but his name is on it. This reflects poorly on his credibility as a scholar and his understanding of the Constitution.

A more accurate wording, and in line with the concurrent explainations of each Amendment, would be:

"The Second Amendment provides that the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

The current wording implies, and in fact states, that the Constitution GIVES rights, when the Founders clearly held that we are "endowed by our Creator" with our rights and that the purpose of government is to secure those Creator-endowed rights.

In short, the Constitution enshrines and protects our rights, but does not "give" rights. That is a dangerous misinterpretation, because the
uninformed citizen might fall prey to the belief that government could also "take away" rights.

Please, feel free to contact me concerning this issue. I am retired from the US Army, and in accordance with my Oath to support and defend the Constitution, I must demand that this error be corrected. I will be forwarding this letter and any response to other agencies.

Thank you.

[CorbinKale]

Still no reply, or correction to the trashing of our Constitution. I will keep trying.

[IfSoGirl]

I hope that piece of !@## burns in hell with Pinhead stripping his flesh for eternity...

Sure there are issues but not every police officer is beating on or hurting civilians. BAD PO exist but the crazy public outnumbers them.

PO's risk their lives enforcing rules our country has passed. A simple traffic stop and 2 are shot...than the fool blindly snipes 2 more.. this guy was no shining knight and had no justification. Former charges for assaults with deadly weapons --gr8 history of crimes plus whatever he was not caught for. Again may Pinhead accompany him for etenity.

And for those people jeering at police --i am sure they were of equal caliber as mixon. the univers will reward them kindly, I am sure of it.

thank you so much for saying this. i live near oakland and was starting to think no on has any respect for the police anymore. the man who shot those officers is also wanted for raping a 12 yr old girl and they are cheering for him?! they want people like this on the street? he was a wanted man, and was pulled over for his outdated registration, then figured out as soon as they checked his licesense things were going to come back fishy so he shot them both and ran then waited in a closet w/ a military assault rifle to shoot 2 more! i am sorry if i sound like a terrible human being but, i'm glad he's dead. my father has been an officer for almost 30 years and thank god he wont have to put up with this crap anymore after may when he retires. but i still have quite a few friends and other family members that are still officers and that could have been any one of them.
and as to the original post i'm sorry about those dogs, i have 2 dogs and would be devistated but not every officer is power hungry and not everyone who takes that job is a power hungry jerk. there are bad people in every line of work.

[CorbinKale]

You are the government, and this is here to help you.

http://www.videojug.com/tag/reporting-for-jury-duty

Being a juror is the most important duty a citizen can perform during peacetime. You, as the representative of the sovreign People, have the ability to decide the verdict, and more importantly, whether the law in question is legal!

Inform yourselves, because the judge will lie to you and tell you that you have to decide according to certain guidelines. That is false. If it were true, there would be no use for a jury and the judge could find according to his own interpretation of the law.

Someone may depend upon you for their freedom someday. Don't let them down!

[CorbinKale]

thank you so much for saying this. i live near oakland and was starting to think no on has any respect for the police anymore. the man who shot those officers is also wanted for raping a 12 yr old girl and they are cheering for him?! they want people like this on the street? he was a wanted man, and was pulled over for his outdated registration, then figured out as soon as they checked his licesense things were going to come back fishy so he shot them both and ran then waited in a closet w/ a military assault rifle to shoot 2 more! i am sorry if i sound like a terrible human being but, i'm glad he's dead. my father has been an officer for almost 30 years and thank god he wont have to put up with this crap anymore after may when he retires. but i still have quite a few friends and other family members that are still officers and that could have been any one of them.
and as to the original post i'm sorry about those dogs, i have 2 dogs and would be devistated but not every officer is power hungry and not everyone who takes that job is a power hungry jerk. there are bad people in every line of work.

I just saw a protest march in honor of the murderer/rapist on the news. Disgusting. I am waiting for the "community leaders" Al and Jesse to chastise the marchers, but I won't be holding my breath.

[JRLauer]

Still no reply, or correction to the trashing of our Constitution. I will keep trying.

President Obama has started initiatives that violate at least three of the first ten amendments, and it’s not going to stop there. In addition to the violation against the second amendment, he wants to take over privately held companies so they can enact a salary cap for executives, even those companies that are doing fine and don’t need any bailout money. This is an illegal seizure. Soon after that, they may come after the small businesses and seize them, then what’s to stop them from seizing your house or other property you may own? I believe he wants to “Spread the wealth” as he stated on time. That means seizing property from someone sooner or later.

[CorbinKale]

Another crooked Judge.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/03/26/national/main4895883.shtml

[CorbinKale]

"Let someone, homeless or not, try and stab me with a pen, knife, spoon, etc, not only will he fail, he'll probably end up shot. These people should have died when they were young anyway, i'm just doing them a favor."

http://www.wthr.com/Global/story.asp?S=10066071

This is why I tell my son to avoid the police. It is not their job to protect him, and he might get THIS guy.

[CorbinKale]

A behind-the-scenes look at how the police view citizens who dare to exercise their Rights protected under the First Amendment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G63FEamhpA0

If you have high blood pressure, skip this, as you might blow an artery.

[IfSoGirl]

ok are you done slamming the police? maybe next time you should find another number to call when you need help. thanks

[LadyHitchhiker]

I'm not for slamming the police, but what's going on with the government? I mean, they put all this taxation on cigarettes and none on cigars? A little suspicious. Some big wigs out there are still getting darn cheap cigars! I know this from working at the bookstore where we have a tobacco counter, and none of the cigars went up! Just the pipes and all the tobacco, especially the rolling tobacco!!!!!! People were rolling their own to try and save money, and now it has over DOUBLED in price!

I know the money's supposed to help children's medical welfare, but if people stop smoking, what are they going to tax next to help the children? Butter? I'm not against helping the children, but it doesn't seem a very logical place to put the tax imfo because this is something that may eventually cease, so then we of course are going to need to tax something else! And as for the children, what about the grownups? I want the children taken care of, but where are we going to come up with funds to help poor people who can't get medical care? It took my father passing away before my mom was able to get help from the state even though she only has a quarter of her heart working and hasn't been able to work for the last 14 years, and has been disabled since she started suffering from cardiomyopathy and congestive heart failure as well as having to have a pacemaker/defibulator implant installed (which has been recalled twice I might add). If we set aside funds for medical care for grownups maybe we won't have hospitals going out of business and medical workers being laid off because of lack of pay, and more people can work longer because they will end up getting the help they need. Just some ideas. Not beating too bad up on the government.

[Moderator]

They did include cigars in the SCHIP. I saw a report a couple nights ago on the news about it and here's a Summary (http://www.ttb.gov/main_pages/schip-summary.shtml) about the tax which looks like it went into effect on April 1st.

[LadyHitchhiker]

I know cigarillos and the like went up, but our expensive cigars did not have a price hike, but shouldn't they, if they're a tobacco product?

[CorbinKale]

Pretty soon, they will lift the ban on tobacco advertising. Since children's health care (SCHIP) is tied to the smoking tax, they will start PROMOTING smoking. :oops:
[Double Post]

ok are you done slamming the police? maybe next time you should find another number to call when you need help. thanks

I have never, nor will I ever call the police, for any reason. They pull up not knowing the situation, so they are just as likely to shoot YOU. They have no responsibility to help anyone. The link below has links to the court cases that say exactly that.

http://www.publicrights.org/Kennesaw/PoliceResponsibility.html

If by linking news reports showing the actions of police is considered 'slamming', then NO, I am not done. I keep this sort of thing restricted to one thread, so it can be easily avoided by those who find it uncomfortable.

[IfSoGirl]

Pretty soon, they will lift the ban on tobacco advertising. Since children's health care (SCHIP) is tied to the smoking tax, they will start PROMOTING smoking. :oops:
[Double Post]


I have never, nor will I ever call the police, for any reason. They pull up not knowing the situation, so they are just as likely to shoot YOU. They have no responsibility to help anyone. The link below has links to the court cases that say exactly that.

http://www.publicrights.org/Kennesaw/PoliceResponsibility.html

If by linking news reports showing the actions of police is considered 'slamming', then NO, I am not done. I keep this sort of thing restricted to one thread, so it can be easily avoided by those who find it uncomfortable.

yeah they pull up knowing nothing and throw their lives on the line knowing full well that they themselves could get killed but someone called for help and they answered! and then where does that leave the people the love? i hope you never do call the cops and you better hope you never need them. my dad has served and protected fo 30 years and has had to put up with ppl like you everyday. we all know no one is perfect no on in any job is. esp in jobs where ppl would just as soon spit on you or shoot you as look at you!
and they do have a responsiilty to help its their freaking job! its why they took the job, swore the oath and wear the badge. i am proud of my dad, my cousin, and my friends that are officers. proud that they took their job knowing full well they'd be unappreciated, and disrespected, yet still answer those calls for help everyday, willing to die for the ingreats and the undeserving, b/c they know that they can make a difference.

[CorbinKale]

People with NO understanding of the law are given badges and guns and paid to enforce the law they don't understand. The TSA will threaten and harrass, but it is all for your protection. Good lord.

You need to see this before your next trip to the airport.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMB6L487LHM&eurl=http://gunrights4usall%2Eblogspot%2Ecom/&feature=player_embedded

[CorbinKale]

It is no wonder why these crooks push so hard for disarming the public. Criminals like their victims to be helpless.

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/21/senate-husbands-firm-cashes-in-on-crisis/

http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20080924145932.aspx

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/03/dodds_wife_a_former_director_o.html

[CorbinKale]

Folks in Erie, PA be warned. If you call the cops, they might send this guy.

WARNING: very foul language

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kIH5EQeCSc&eurl=http://www%2Elewrockwell%2Ecom/blog/lewrw/archives/026434%2Ehtml&feature=player_embedded

[CorbinKale]

Canadian author lays out the reality of the world, and the future we have embraced. The article is longish, but there is more truth in this piece than I have seen in years. Don't read it if you are rushed. Find a quiet 15 minutes to dedicate before plunging into this one.

http://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis/archive/issue.asp?year=2009&month=04

[CorbinKale]

British subjects slip further towards tyranny.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/whos_watching_you/8064333.stm

[CorbinKale]

U.S. citizens just lost more ground. Tyranny is one step closer. Scalia really got this one wrong. When in doubt, MORE FREEDOM!

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE54P47120090526?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews

The answer to this is to NEVER talk to anyone who is detaining you, beyond the basics. Your name and address. Other than that, just ask if you are under arrest, why are you being detained and if you are free to go. Anything you say will be used AGAINST you. Never FOR you. Silence is the key.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

[JohnDalglish]

Anything you say will be used AGAINST you. Never FOR you. Silence is the key.


Hi,

Yes indeed, 'you have the right to remain silent', and that's your one and only right, and people should never forget it.

Long days and pleasant nights

[Wendy Capps]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/08/07/mayor.warrant/index.html

These cowardly, dog-killing, government thugs should be charged with murder. Just more evidence backing up my theory of human nature. People who desire power over others, often gravitate to jobs that provide them a good supply of victims.

I hate to say I can believe this BS. I tried to watch the video. It would not let me, how convienient! Another FPUSFHOA - Chili Pepper fans know what I mean!!

[Maddie]

Oklahoma Hwy Patrolmen fighting with/arresting EMT for not pulling over en route to hospital while sick person lays in the back.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KluItc365hU&feature=player_embedded

[CorbinKale]

Looks like the Fed, after running into the wall on firearms, has decided to go after a different class of arms, knives. This is unconstitutional, so anyone pushing such legislation is a domestic enemy of the Constitution. The incremental eradication of liberty is pure evil.

http://parrotheadjeff.com/blog/archives/4355/complete-bs-from-customs-and-border-patrol/

http://www.kniferights.org/U%20S%20Customs%20Proposed%20Ruling%20-%20Assisted%20Opening%20Knives.pdf

I would be curious to hear how similar anti-knife laws have worked out in Europe.

[MyLife4YouSK]

Found a link last night on YouTube all Americans should watch and saw this thread, seems the best place for it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeYscnFpEyA

Thomas Paine for President! ;)

[CorbinKale]

Found a link last night on YouTube all Americans should watch and saw this thread, seems the best place for it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeYscnFpEyA

Thomas Paine for President! ;)

I like the message, but guys like that are all selling something, usually a book. If they tie their message to making a profit, I am always skeptical.

He says we said no to several government actions, like the bailouts. The government ignored us, yet we did nothing. Well, we said 'no'. What else can we do? Vote them out? Since they don't hold elections after each vote, that is not an option. Judging from the last Presidential election, we don't have much of a choice. Hell, McCain suspended his campaign and rushed to Washington because he couldn't WAIT to vote for the pork-laden bailout that no one had read, including McCain. I am fed up with the crooked unconstitutional system that has a stranglehold on liberty.

They get away with it because they count on us doing nothing. If we speak out against the crooks, it is called 'astroturf'. They disregard us because they are not afraid of us. They are not afraid, because there is no credible 'or else' behind our demands for change.

Restoration of the Constitution is the key. Of course, they don't teach the Constitution in our public schools. They barely cover it in LAW SCHOOL! How else could a constitutional scholar arrive at the conclusion that the Second Amendment GIVES citizens the right to bear arms?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/our_government/the_constitution/
The Second Amendment gives citizens the right to bear arms.

The Founders held that we are endowed by our Creator with Rights, and that governments are instituted among men to secure those pre-existing, God-given Rights. Not the other way around.

We have to educate ourselves on the Constitution. Especially, the Second Amendment. It is not about hunting. It is there to provide a credible 'or else' to the demands of the sovreign in this nation, We the People. Until our government fears the people, there will never be change.

[CorbinKale]

Update on the dogs murdered during botched SWAT raid. Everything went as it was supposed to? It is a small price to pay to keep the drugs off the streets. Shoot dogs for the children! :eek2:

Must be nice to have such job security that you won't be fired for incompetence.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/19/AR2009061903175.html

[CorbinKale]

If someone tells you that only the police should have guns, show them this. :laugh:

http://www.cbsatlanta.com/news/19831367/detail.html

[CorbinKale]

What happens when a government disarms its citizens? Tyranny and disenfranchisement of the people. Why not? What can the people do against a government that has all the arms?

WARNING!!!! The link is to the youtube video of Neda. VERY GRAPHIC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJlGJgnVUys

[Cody44]

Although I'm not a huge Glenn Beck fan, (I happen to sit in the middle of the political isle) I happened to catch the show where a women wrote in to express her feelings. I thought I would share it with you because I really liked it, and I think it sums up how a lot of Americans feel, and have felt for the last five to ten years.

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/26742/?ck=1

[CorbinKale]

I saw that letter, too. She stated my views, exactly.

[CorbinKale]

Scott Wagner is a Police Academy Commander and Professor at Columbus State Community College in Columbus Ohio, and Commander of the 727 Counter Terror Training Unit. A 29 year law enforcement veteran, and current Deputy Sheriff, he is the Precision Marksman for the Union County Sheriff’s Office SRT Team.

He would like to relate to you some observations.

http://www.tactical-life.com/online/exclusives/commentary-four-reasons-why-gun-sales-are-up/?hp=exclusives_img

[CorbinKale]

We have lots of smart people here. Can anyone figure out what will be the unintended consequences of such an anonymous program? What could go wrong?

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/local_news/epaper/2009/06/19/0619gunbounty.html

a. if you are a drug dealer and would like to have the cops get rid of, and possibly kill, your competiton for you.

b. your boyfriend cheated on you and you are looking for payback.

c. you are a cop without a warrant, so you call in the anonymous tip yourself to get around the Constitution.

d. you are a twisted pervert wanting to watch the cops draw down on an innocent person. Maybe get video of the whole thing for youtube...

Aren't we supposed to be able to confront our accusers? So the whole program is unconstitutional. Classic 'nanny state' policies. Toss the Constitution in the trash and pass counter-productive laws that make bureaucrats 'feel' like they have done something good they can point to for the next election.

[CorbinKale]

Police respond to a false call. Another dog pays the ultimate price. Is it policy to shoot pets? It certainly isn't policy to NOT shoot them.

http://www.sanleandrotimes.com/*ws4d-db-query-Show.ws4d?*ws4d-db-query-Show***GED-CFD-301302308310306301-1404***-Database***-***sltimes(directory)a_slt(directory)***.ws4d?sltimes/a_slt/column.html

[CorbinKale]

Officer shoots and kills miniature dachsund. After department initially cleared the officer, public outrage embarrasses department and prompts re-investigation. Officer is fired and supervisors are disciplined.

http://www.godanriver.com/gdr/news/local/danville_news/article/officer_in_danville_dog_shooting_terminated/12390/

Perhaps a policy prohibiting shooting pets? I'm just sayin'.

[CorbinKale]

Sheriff Richard Mack provides a shining example of what a Peace Officer should be. All law enforcement personnel could learn something from this man.

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2009/07/08/local-sheriffs-are-last-defense/

[CorbinKale]

An excellent study of why Prof Gates was arrested. There was no racism involved on the part of the witnesses or police. The 'crime' was failure to show proper respect. Officer Crowley got his feelings hurt and decided to teach the Prof a lesson. The charges were dropped because, although potentially lethal, hurting an officer's feelings is not a crime.

http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2009/07/praetorian-presumptions.html

[CorbinKale]

You are (probably) a Federal criminal.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/07/21/heritage-house-law/

[CorbinKale]

60 Minutes did an excellent job of reporting on the "Gun Rush". At the end of the piece, Feinstein detroys the liberal opinion that, "No one is coming after your guns."

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5189467n

[CorbinKale]

Britain begins making 'troublesome' subjects disappear. Cases like this only serve to illustrate what happens to a disarmed populace. I wonder if any British subject is still alive who knows what it feels like to draw breath as a free citizen. I suppose the clueless flock about mindlessly, never knowing or caring what life is like outside of the enclosure. Still, there must be some Britains who recall their lost liberty. Almighty God, forbid it from happening here.

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Print-Page.htm?EdNo=001&Info=0058492

[CorbinKale]

Four police accidentally record themselves as they frame a woman, whose vehicle was rear ended by a police car. The woman, who was reportedly over the legal BAC, will now go free as a result of the compromised case, not to mention the doubt this casts on every case these 'law enforcement officers' have been involved in. The upside is that four crooked cops are off the streets.

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2009/jul/29/4-fla-police-officers-caught-crash-cover-/news-offbeat/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/29/crooked-cops-caught-plott_n_246987.html

[CorbinKale]

Before you call the police, for any reason, you need to see this.

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=54162036

[CorbinKale]

It's probably nothing to worry about.:eyebrow:

http://www.indeed.com/viewjob?t=Internment+/+Resettlement+Specialist&c=US+Army+Recruiting+Office&l=Pensacola,+FL&jk=5feab31af6b25d94

[CorbinKale]

Right on schedule... report anti-agenda activity... turn in the non-believers...

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Facts-Are-Stubborn-Things/

"There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov."

Surely, I'm already on 'the list', but feel free to report me. I find that, like being admired by the admirable, being despised by the despicable is proof that one is doing the right thing.

[smjohn]

Before you call the police, for any reason, you need to see this.

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=54162036

Jeez...Ozark,MO is right down the road from me:glare:

[CorbinKale]

Who knew the ACLU had a sense of humor? I'm impressed.

http://www.aclu.org/pizza/images/screen.swf

[CorbinKale]

The fact that this is considered entertainment is a big flashing signpost on the road to tyranny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RBT6m0LHRM

[smjohn]

The fact that this is considered entertainment is a big flashing signpost on the road to tyranny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RBT6m0LHRM

I, myself, am very sick of these new reality shows. IMO, it only gives the wrong people more insight & ammo.

[CorbinKale]

I, myself, am very sick of these new reality shows. IMO, it only gives the wrong people more insight & ammo.

It is like a celebration of abuse of power. Total submission, or risk death. What a freak show.

[Mary Strickland]

Message Board Members,
My favorite author, Mr. King has graciously provided a platform for the enjoyment of his readers and fans. I have carelessly used it to express political ideas, which have nothing to do with literature. I regret doing this and need to apologize to everyone. It won't happen again.

[CorbinKale]

Message Board Members,
My favorite author, Mr. King has graciously provided a platform for the enjoyment of his readers and fans. I have carelessly used it to express political ideas, which have nothing to do with literature. I regret doing this and need to apologize to everyone. It won't happen again.

SK fans are multi-faceted, opinionated individuals. Don't apologize, just post your opinions in the appropriate sub-forums and threads. Puppy posts go in the puppy thread, cooking posts go in the cooking thread and government corruption posts go in this thread. That makes it easy to avoid topics that offend you, and easier to find the topics you enjoy.

You will find that Ms. Mod is a true believer in free speech. Even if she personally disagrees with your opinion, she will respect your voice, so don't hesitate to sing out. SK brought us together, but we celebrate ALL life has to offer, not just literature. Happy posting!

[CorbinKale]

Finally, a good news item to report!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L40tNRFMT8

Police and Secret Service respected citizens and the Constitution during an Obama event. Several citizens were exercising their constitutionally protected Rights in plain view of everyone, right out in the streets for the children to witness! This may not be the change that was expected, but it is certainly change we can believe in! Kudos, to all civil servants who acted responsibly and honored their Oaths to the Constitution.

[Moderator]

I'd seen similar reports on the news and was thinking that the Secret Service were probably sweating from more than the heat that day. :smile2:

[CorbinKale]

I have only had one extended contact with the Secret Service. After the Gander crash where the troops from the 101st died, all of the VIPs from Washington came to Ft. Campbell for a memorial ceremony. The Secret Service arrived a few days early to set up security, and I got to talk with them quite a bit as the hanger was adapted for the ceremony at the airfield.

They were calm, relaxed professionals. I got the impression that they go to great lengths to screen out bullies and idealogues. That was a couple of decades ago, so my opinion may be out of date, but they certainly showed restraint on this occasion when they could have easily abused their power. I am sure they were in place early and briefed by the police on the propensity of Arizonans to exercise their Rights.

[CorbinKale]

It is a crime to fail to identify yourself to a police officer. Conversely, it appears to be a crime to IDENTIFY a police officer, even when that information is public knowledge.

In any case, be warned that upsetting the police is not smart. You will pay for your free speech. I wonder if SHE will be invited for beers at the White House?:laugh:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/09/AR2009080902126.html?

[CorbinKale]

Finally, a good news item to report!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L40tNRFMT8

Police and Secret Service respected citizens and the Constitution during an Obama event. Several citizens were exercising their constitutionally protected Rights in plain view of everyone, right out in the streets for the children to witness! This may not be the change that was expected, but it is certainly change we can believe in! Kudos, to all civil servants who acted responsibly and honored their Oaths to the Constitution.

WHOA!!! Wonder why MSNBC ratings are plummeting? They took the same incident above, and cropped the video to hide the fact that the man with the AR-15 was black, then spun the piece to be about 'white people with guns' out to harm the President. If any of you depend on MSNBC for your 'news', you should be aware that it is just a propaganda organization.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYKQJ4-N7LI

[Autumnlyn]

Before you call the police, for any reason, you need to see this.

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=54162036


Wow, there is really some creative editing in that piece. :glare:

[CorbinKale]

Wow, there is really some creative editing in that piece. :glare:

Are you saying that there was misleading information in that video, due to the editing? If your answer is yes, please, refer to the time counter on the video and point out what you see as 'creative editing'. If I have been misled by this video, I am want to get the correct information.

I appreciate your input.

[mudpuppy]

Here is a really quick little blurb on how I was treated like dirt by the secret service:

On this day everything was shut down because we got about 3 feet of snow the night before. So I'm at home from work, the news is on, and I see that Pres. Bush is making a suprise visit to the Home Depot located about a mile from my house. I think, "Hey, neat!", so I bundle up and trudge a mile through the snow to see the goings on. I get to the road that the store is located on, US Route 1, and this is where security had the onlookers stop. The store was actually located about a football field's length away from the road, with a huge parking lot and a grass covered hill between the building and the highway. So I think I'll just hang out a while and see what there is to see. Sight-seers and protesters are about 5 people deep, so I'm standing about 2 feet away from the crowd of protesters holding signs up for the passing traffic, and I pretty much standing in a ditch trying to see over a hill, peering up. Suddenly I hear "Mam, you need to step back. MAM! You need to step back, MAM YOU NEED TO STEP BACK AND I'M NOT TELLING YOU AGAIN!". I'm thinking "Who they heck are they talking to?" And it was me! They were yelling at me, and the guy's face was bright red with veins bulging in his neck, like he was all hopped up or something. I was thinking "Jeez, what was I even doing? Just standing there staring at the outside of a building a quarter mile away." I wasn't a protester, I didn't have a purse or backpack on me, I'm just a 5ft/4 inch brown haired white girl standing in the snow!

So that secret service guy really ruined it for me so I just left. I felt like I was about to get shot for simply wanting to glimpse the president. I'm sure their jobs are stressful, but come on! I just think he was a tool, so I trudged the mile back home realizing that anyone could get shot or arrested for simply not realizing when someone else for some reason perceives you as a threat. But I do think that guy needs to quit the coffee, the steroids, the blow, whatever, because he was jacked up on rage and it was not appropriate to the situation.

[CorbinKale]

"Report details breadth of misconduct, saying officers took home property that had no proven connection to crime."

http://www.startribune.com/local/stpaul/53809157.html

Of course, there are always a few bad apples. And by 'a few', I mean 1/3 of the Task Force.

[CorbinKale]

Bad news and good news.

Bad news: Officer records himself beating an innocent man, then falsified his report. The good news is that his department caught him and did the right thing by charging the officer with felony assault.

http://www.officer.com/web/online/Top-News-Stories/Taser-Cam-Captures-California-Police-Beating/1$48045

[CorbinKale]

The AR-15. Is it a rifle, or a dangerous automatic assault weapon meant for killing large groups of people?

Associated Press clarifies the issue. When cops are out drinking and flirting with waitresses, it's just a rifle, folks.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,541337,00.html?test=latestnews

Then Bonnie Erbe informs us that when the citizens, who employ those cops, have one, they instantly become "semiautomatic mass killing machines".

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/erbe/2009/08/18/letting-gun-nuts-pack-weapons-near-obama-is-insane.html

Now we know! lol

[Autumnlyn]

Are you saying that there was misleading information in that video, due to the editing? If your answer is yes, please, refer to the time counter on the video and point out what you see as 'creative editing'. If I have been misled by this video, I am want to get the correct information.

I appreciate your input.

While there are some segments with counters (very few) ...it only shows basically the cops reactions, many clips are edited where the 'suspects' comments/actions (previous to the clip) are not shown. Take ANYTHING out of context and it can appear monsterous. As for the "obtaining a complaint form" section...these officers are dealing with the scum of the earth 98% of the time. Of course they would like to know the nature of the complaint and attempt to resolve the issue and not just hand out forms indescriminately. Otherwise valuable officer time could be wasted on bogus complaints. Heck, if someone came into my office to get any information, but won't even tell me their name, I would kick them out too!

Not all cops are perfect, far from it. They are human beings and make mistakes like the rest of us. But videos like this seem to try and make it out that ALL cops are bad, that there is some conspiracy going on in the Police Force. Makes me kinda sick. IMHO

[CorbinKale]

While there are some segments with counters (very few) ...it only shows basically the cops reactions, many clips are edited where the 'suspects' comments/actions (previous to the clip) are not shown. Take ANYTHING out of context and it can appear monsterous. As for the "obtaining a complaint form" section...these officers are dealing with the scum of the earth 98% of the time. Of course they would like to know the nature of the complaint and attempt to resolve the issue and not just hand out forms indescriminately. Otherwise valuable officer time could be wasted on bogus complaints. Heck, if someone came into my office to get any information, but won't even tell me their name, I would kick them out too!

Not all cops are perfect, far from it. They are human beings and make mistakes like the rest of us. But videos like this seem to try and make it out that ALL cops are bad, that there is some conspiracy going on in the Police Force. Makes me kinda sick. IMHO

I am sure most of the video where nothing happened was edited out. The video was long enough, without footage of non-action dragging it out. I am sure they didn't show any of the footage where the form was obtained without incident. That is not what the video is about. If there was NEVER an incident, there would have been no video, at all.

Not all cops are bad. The person asking for the forms IS a cop. He was pointing out their tactics of intimidation and threats of retaliation.

As for wasting the cops time? I don't think it is ever reasonable to abdicate ANY of my Rights in consideration of police effective time management. They work for the public. We pay them. If I ask for a complaint form, they had better give me one without violating my Right to privacy, and threatening to arrest me.

Besides, logic dictates that they should hand out the forms to everyone who requests one. People filing false reports can then be charged. The systematic intimidation of people asking for information is indicative of the 'gang' mentality of the police community. Not all are bad, but the good ones, who know who the bad ones are and do nothing, are just as bad.

[CorbinKale]

Another government run operation. How did they not see this coming?

http://www.calgarysun.com/news/columnists/michael_platt/2009/08/27/10630646-sun.html

[CorbinKale]

Two OKC Sergeants charged with felony drive by shooting.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=12&articleid=20090821_12_0_OKLAHO495298

[CorbinKale]

http://www.serve.gov/

What this has to do with 9/11 is unclear. If any of you figure it out, I would love to hear it.

[CorbinKale]

Heads up! The issue of incorporating the 2nd Amendment is at hand. If the SCOTUS decides to hear the case, this single issue will presage our future. One decision will indicate the repeal of over 20,000 unconstitutional gun control infringements, currently on the books. The other will encourage the enemies of the Constitution to further infringe upon an already abused populace.

One vote from 9 humans has the power to restore freedom, or plunge the nation into civil war. Pray that they choose liberty!

http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/second-amendment-cases-up-early/

[Moderator]

http://www.serve.gov/

What this has to do with 9/11 is unclear. If any of you figure it out, I would love to hear it.


From the first paragraph of the explanation:


The tragic events of September 11, 2001 inspired Americans to come together in a remarkable spirit of unity and compassion.

That's probably the last time on that large a scale that our country was working with each other with compassion and cooperation instead of being divided against each other. Sounds to me like an attempt to try to recapture that spirit not just because we'd been attacked by terrorists but because it's the right thing to do.

[smjohn]

From the first paragraph of the explanation:



That's probably the last time on that large a scale that our country was working with each other with compassion and cooperation instead of being divided against each other. Sounds to me like an attempt to try to recapture that spirit not just because we'd been attacked by terrorists but because it's the right thing to do.

Almost exactly what I was going to say:)

[Mary Strickland]

This is the first day of bird season in Texas, one of my favorite days. I can sit on the back porch and hear guns almost all day. At night we can hear owls, frogs and my neighbors peacocks (louder than monkeys.) Deer season isn't far away. It's a lot more comforting than than drive-by shooting.

[CorbinKale]

Just a few bad apples.:oo:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090903/ap_on_re_us/us_shot_in_court

[CorbinKale]

Make the law work for you! Ever had something stolen from your luggage? Here is how to lock your baggage so that the TSA, legally, can't get into it when it is out of your custody.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGjddG5Owsc

!!! WARNING !!! Almost 40 minutes and some occasional profanity. ENJOY!

[CorbinKale]

Good advice from Homeland Security.

http://www.ready.gov/

I think it is funny that when I have given the same advice, I was accused of fear-mongering.:laugh:

[Moderator]

I don't think there would be many who would contest the wisdom of being prepared for natural disasters.

[Spideyman]

I don't think there would be many who would contest the wisdom of being prepared for natural disasters.


Good advice from Homeland Security.

http://www.ready.gov/

I think it is funny that when I have given the same advice, I was accused of fear-mongering.:laugh:




For those along the gulf coast of the USA- preparing for natural disasters is a way of life. Most start in early May to make their "kit", gather supplies, and watch and wait. Not until the last day of November do we feel some sort of relief. Then we party( have to use the goodies before expo dates)

[Eidolon]

I hope the dogs at least got a bite in before they were killed.

[CorbinKale]

Critics claim Massachusetts bill equals martial law.

Here is the Bill that has passed the Senate, and is in the House.

http://www.mass.gov/legis/bills/senate/186/st02pdf/st02028.pdf

Here is the video where a Massachusetts Republican Senator has some problems with the Bill, but he voted for it, anyway. Asked if he read the Bill before he voted on it, he deftly sidesteps and distracts from the question.

http://www.foxnews.com/search-results/m/26176595/pandemic-response-bill.htm

If you live in Massachusetts, you need to be aware of this. This Bill, basically, suspends the Constitution and places the State under martial law, where the citizens will be fined $1k a day, imprisoned, or both for failure to comply with forced vaccinations, warrantless searches, interrogations or other demands from the health authorities, even if the authorities are mistaken. Once they declare an emergency, they ARE the law.

You can still stop this.

[Mr. Jingles]

I just read the article. Horrified.

[sam peebles]

There were a few entries that stood out to me. They speak for themselves.

(3) to decontaminate or cause to be decontaminated, or to destroy any material;
(4) to restrict or prohibit assemblages of persons;
(6) to control ingress to and egress from any stricken or threatened public area, and the movement of persons and materials within the area;

[CorbinKale]

Student attacked and beaten by police over dress code.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGoF3h9iQ5Y

Turns out that cop was also charged with rape and had recently shot his ex-wife's new husband 24 times, in self defense.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-dolton-cop-09-oct09,0,527689.story

When you rely on the government to protect your children at school, you get the best protection a disconnected, apathetic, corrupt bureaucracy can waste your tax dollars on.

[CorbinKale]

Unintended consequences of nanny state tyranny. Once a populace allows itself to be disarmed, and demands to be controlled for their own good, they get exactly the government they deserve.

http://www.windsorstar.com/health/Trucker+busted+smoking+workplace/2079343/story.html

[CorbinKale]

A 17% increase in gun crime in the past six months? Sad for the UK, but a valuable lesson for other governments contemplating gun control. Gun control disarms only those who obey the law and encourages the crime by creating a nation of defenseless victims for criminals to prey upon.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/alarm-at-routine-patrols-by-armed-police-1807634.html

[CorbinKale]

Change you can be jailed for.:down:

“H.R. 3962 provides that an individual (or a husband and wife in the case of a joint return) who does not, at any time during the taxable year, maintain acceptable health insurance coverage for himself or herself and each of his or her qualifying children is subject to an additional tax.” [page 1]

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“If the government determines that the taxpayer’s unpaid tax liability results from willful behavior, the following penalties could apply…” [page 2]

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“Criminal penalties

Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:

• Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.

• Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.” [page 3]

http://republicans.waysandmeans.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=153583

[PatInTheHat]

Change you can be jailed for.

“H.R. 3962 provides that an individual (or a husband and wife in the case of a joint return) who does not, at any time during the taxable year, maintain acceptable health insurance coverage for himself or herself and each of his or her qualifying children is subject to an additional tax.” [page 1]

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“If the government determines that the taxpayer’s unpaid tax liability results from willful behavior, the following penalties could apply…” [page 2]

- - - - - - - - - -
“Criminal penalties

Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:

• Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.

• Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.” [page 3]

http://republicans.waysandmeans.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=153583

Well, I reckon I'll be a seein' ya on the inside then:eyebrow:?

:biggrin2:

:eek2:

:oh:

:zip:!

[CorbinKale]

Government and Pfizer screw the citizens, then walk away.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Pfizer-abandons-site-of-infamous-Kelo-eminent-domain-taking-69580497.html

[CorbinKale]

With the Census approaching, consider what information you will give out. According to the Constitution, the Census is to be used as a means to determine representation in Congress. Questions regarding your race, education level, or number of flush toilets seem to be unconstitutional. I will be giving my name, my address and how many people live at said address. All the other questions will be left unanswered. Under NO circumstances will I allow any government representative in my home, without a warrant.

http://epicanthus.net/2010/01/25/the-myth-of-us-census-data-privacy/

[PatInTheHat]

With the Census approaching, consider what information you will give out. According to the Constitution, the Census is to be used as a means to determine representation in Congress. Questions regarding your race, education level, or number of flush toilets seem to be unconstitutional. I will be giving my name, my address and how many people live at said address. All the other questions will be left unanswered. Under NO circumstances will I allow any government representative in my home, without a warrant.



http://epicanthus.net/2010/01/25/the-myth-of-us-census-data-privacy/

Just how many congressman (and congresswoman of course) should we actually have now if it was utilized as intended...I don't know for sure, but it's a really a pretty big number..in the thousands I believe.
That would sure make it hard for special interest lobbyists to gain a stranglehold...you know, if we we're doing what the framers intended in regards to representatives based on population.
Of course we'd need a bigger house:oh:.

[Fran D'Amico]

If you shot a police dog they would charge you with murdering a police officer.

[Haunted]

New Chemistry info!!

The Heaviest Element Known to Science*

Lawrence Livermore Laboratories has discovered the heaviest element yet known to science.

The new element, Governmentium (Gv), has one neutron, 25 assistant neutrons, 88 deputy neutrons, and 198 assistant deputy neutrons, giving it an atomic mass of 312.

These 312 particles are held together by forces called morons, which are surrounded by vast quantities of lepton-like particles called peons.

Since Governmentium has no electrons, it is inert; however, it can be detected, because it impedes every reaction with which it comes into contact. A tiny amount of Governmentium can cause a reaction that would normally take less than a second, to take from 4 days to 4 years to complete.

Governmentium has a normal half-life of 2-6 years. It does not decay, but instead undergoes a reorganization in which a portion of the assistant neutrons and deputy neutrons exchange places.

In fact, Governmentium's mass will actually increase over time, since each reorganization will cause more morons to become neutrons, forming isodopes.

This characteristic of morons promotion leads some scientists to believe that Governmentium is formed whenever morons reach a critical concentration. This hypothetical quantity is referred to as critical morass.

When catalyzed with money, Governmentium becomes Administratium, an element that radiates just as much energy as Governmentium since it has half as many peons but twice as many morons.

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[CorbinKale]

Pay your taxes, or else...

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=8d3b076bd4de14bbda5aba699e80621d&tab=core&_cview=1&cck=1&au=&ck=

The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) intends to purchase sixty Remington Model 870 Police RAMAC #24587 12 gauge pump-action shotguns for the Criminal Investigation Division. The Remington parkerized shotguns, with fourteen inch barrel, modified choke, Wilson Combat Ghost Ring rear sight and XS4 Contour Bead front sight, Knoxx Reduced Recoil Adjustable Stock, and Speedfeed ribbed black forend, are designated as the only shotguns authorized for IRS duty based on compatibility with IRS existing shotgun inventory, certified armorer and combat training and protocol, maintenance, and parts.

[CorbinKale]

SGT Graig Harding explains why officers must break the law in order to enforce the law. Judging from the comments, the message did not go over very well.

http://www.todayindixie.com/view/full_story/5756174/article-On-the-Beat--Officers-break-laws-to-keep-law-and-order?instance

[CorbinKale]

San Antonio decides to tackle rampant crime. Murderers, rapists and gangs breath collective sigh of relief as cops crack down on lawns and garge sales.

http://radio.woai.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=119078&article=6801516

[CorbinKale]

The wheels of justice turn slowly, but NOLA police, who gunned down unarmed civilians, falsified statements and planted evidence, are finally being prosecuted. I am expecting to hear the word 'Blackwater' mentioned any day. Or will they call them 'Xe', now that the mercenary company has changed its name after being expelled from Iraq for gunning down unarmed civilians?

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2010/02/police_investigator_encouraged.html