Autism, cont...

[Maddie]

OMG, look whats going on in China from the forumula, puberty is hitting infants ... :eek2:

Three infant girls in the central city of Wuhan and a fourth in Beijing have shown signs of premature development, including growth of breasts, according to state media reports ........


heres a link .....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/08599201004400

[blunthead]

I wonder if seeing or perceiving action stimulates humor for autistic kids in a general way, which it does for us in a more specific, appropriate (for lack of a better word) way. For instance, we laugh when we see violent action in a cartoon (an anvil, which he himself launched, landing ironically on Wile E), because we perceive our response as expected. Maybe autistic kids don't perceive a difference in terms of the violence because they lack an ability to learn what's expected. If so, that sounds a little like a blessing in disguise.

[Spideyman]

Hormones in food supply:

http://envirocancer.cornell.edu/Factsheet/Diet/fs37.hormones.cfm

http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/bgh.htm

[Maddie]

I wonder if seeing or perceiving action stimulates humor for autistic kids in a general way, which it does for us in a more specific, appropriate (for lack of a better word) way. For instance, we laugh when we see violent action in a cartoon (an anvil, which he himself launched, landing ironically on Wile E), because we perceive our response as expected. Maybe autistic kids don't perceive a difference in terms of the violence because they lack an ability to learn what's expected. If so, that sounds a little like a blessing in disguise.

I meant to get back to this part of the discussion. Those are interesting points you make about our own humor in comparison in some regards, and it being a blessing in disguise, that something devastating, could amuse them and not upset them or cause trauma, but in the end, could that be a good thing in a learning capacity for them when it comes to dangers, and consequences?

We have overcome alot here, but the road is still long. I noticed the 'facial expression interest' Mookie when doing the 'eye to eye' contact, you have to insist to have their full attention sometimes, and realized that in her amusement, she was only looking at my ,forehead, eyes, eyebrows, lookovers, she wasnt laughing at or even hearing anything I was saying cause she focused on that.

She has 3 brothers, and when two tied up and throwed down trying to choke each other out, she laughed, when I intervene to break it up, she laughs 'even harder' at my reaction to them, the one closest in age to her has had to endure her laughing hysterically every time he fell off a bike, or got hurt in any way. and there was a game she began to play, one of her brothers games, where she was driving.... and she began to get on the sidewalk/boardwalk and was 'running over people', laughing.

She was afraid of a train whistle miles away, and other unusual fears distant noises and of things unseen, and no fear of any real physical dangers. I think only in some rare cirumstance it might be a blessing,

[Becks19]

OMG, look whats going on in China from the forumula, puberty is hitting infants ... :eek2:

Three infant girls in the central city of Wuhan and a fourth in Beijing have shown signs of premature development, including growth of breasts, according to state media reports ........


heres a link .....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/08599201004400

Oh my, how scary and horrible. Those poor babies.

[JohnDalglish]

I meant to get back to this part of the discussion.

Hi,

Aye, Amanda, this furore over the hormone additives in the food chain and their effects have kinda distracted this thread, perhaps you should open another thread specifically for the hormone additives and their effects,mainly on infants but what are they doing to the rest of us? Wait a minute, I will!

This is some $cary $hit that I knew nothing at all about until a week or so ago when Mookie brought it to our attention.

Long days and pleasant nights

[Becks19]

I meant to get back to this part of the discussion.

She was afraid of a train whistle miles away, and other unusual fears distant noises and of things unseen, and no fear of any real physical dangers. I think only in some rare cirumstance it might be a blessing,

I remember a while ago, my Mother telling me that Rachel had gotten a bowl of Spaghettio's out the the microwave that was boiling hot.( before she could assist her) She ended up spilling it on herself leaving blisters on her foot. I asked if she was OK? My mother said she had absolutely no reaction to the pain. No change in facial expression, no tears not even a flinch.( Not even at the Dr.s) I've always been sure that she felt it, but couldn't properly express it. Any thoughts?

[Breger3]

I haven't read all the posts on this thread yet, just discovered it with 26 pages of posts, but I do plan to read through them. I have a 10 year old daughter with Autism/Aspergers. She was diagnosed at 3, and after that, my step mom took my two half brothers, then 14 and 16, to the Dr. and they were finally dxed with Aspergers. We're pretty sure my dad has it, and possibly my husband's dad had it too. Anyhow, I just wanted to say hey, there are pics of my daughter on my profile, I need to learn how to put them in posts. Then I'll get caught up with the posts here. Also, just want to say, that Stephen King won my heart even more than he had already with Annie in Rose Red.

[Breger3]

I do feel blessed with her, as sure as we most all do with all of our children, but I've thought that, in light of her condition, she was definetly for me especially and I for her.

Mookie, forgive me, if I keep thinking that you are her mom, and youre her sister, am I confused, I cant re read back thru at this moment, lol, but I know one thing, youre a tremendous part of her accomplishments and joy! It so lovely to hear it!

We are just getting over Scarlet fever here, I was shocked to find she had this last week as suddenly it appeared, accompanying strep throat, apparently not serious but very contagious, shes finishing the meds now, but she was talking to herself in the mirror I was eavesdropping, 'omg Miranda, your face is pink!', tone changes and then... 'its okay honey you have a rash' 'dont worry, its going to go away soon'...

she talks to herself quite a bit and will refer to herself third person, her therapists say this is good for her to talk with herself cause it consoles and comforts.

I know this is old, but I want to say, Beth does this too, especially during her shower. She acts out scenes, usually of her interacting with other people, she does different voices and everything. I love listening to her, but if she knows I'm listening she stops.

[Becks19]

I know this is old, but I want to say, Beth does this too, especially during her shower. She acts out scenes, usually of her interacting with other people, she does different voices and everything. I love listening to her, but if she knows I'm listening she stops.

My sister Rachel who has Aspergers does this with movie/music lines that she has memorized. She can do the different voices in her favorite movies word for word. ( it doesn't even have to be on at the time) She has such a knack for memorization it's uncanny. Glad you discovered this thread.

[Maddie]

I remember a while ago, my Mother telling me that Rachel had gotten a bowl of Spaghettio's out the the microwave that was boiling hot.( before she could assist her) She ended up spilling it on herself leaving blisters on her foot. I asked if she was OK? My mother said she had absolutely no reaction to the pain. No change in facial expression, no tears not even a flinch.( Not even at the Dr.s) I've always been sure that she felt it, but couldn't properly express it. Any thoughts?

I've wondered about this Mookie. A doctor has told me that their pain tolerance can be higher, I guess that can be individual with each child like so many of the other characteristics are, but Miranda has always responded appropriately to pain if she gets hurt, but then there have been times when she was younger, she would try to , get a 'boo boo' off by taking the bandaid off and repeatedly trying to rub it off or hit at it, which, I thought 'has to hurt' and yet she wouldn't show any pain when she did that... I dont know, maybe it has to do with sensory input in their brain and they really dont actually feel some of their pain, but as you say with physical blisters, etc, you would imagine that they would have to.

[Maddie]

I haven't read all the posts on this thread yet, just discovered it with 26 pages of posts, but I do plan to read through them. I have a 10 year old daughter with Autism/Aspergers. She was diagnosed at 3, and after that, my step mom took my two half brothers, then 14 and 16, to the Dr. and they were finally dxed with Aspergers. We're pretty sure my dad has it, and possibly my husband's dad had it too. Anyhow, I just wanted to say hey, there are pics of my daughter on my profile, I need to learn how to put them in posts. Then I'll get caught up with the posts here. Also, just want to say, that Stephen King won my heart even more than he had already with Annie in Rose Red.

Its such a pleasure to meet you :smile2: My daughter is 10 now and was diagnosed at 3 also. RoseRed is one of my favorites of his movies too, its funny how at the time the movie came out I didn't even really know what Autism was .... and when she first was diagnosed, the movie and Annie were what immediately came to mind, I was thinking Stephen King and telekinetic, and her Dr sweetly whispers 'have you ever seen the movie called 'Rain Man'? :laugh:

[Breger3]

Its such a pleasure to meet you :smile2: My daughter is 10 now and was diagnosed at 3 also. RoseRed is one of my favorites of his movies too, its funny how at the time the movie came out I didn't even really know what Autism was .... and when she first was diagnosed, the movie and Annie were what immediately came to mind, I was thinking Stephen King and telekinetic, and her Dr sweetly whispers 'have you ever seen the movie called 'Rain Man'? :laugh:

That's too funny. I would LOVE to find a Dr that would use Annie as an example rather than Rainman....lol! I am pleased to see that we have a lot of girls here. Many autism groups I have joined ( and later left) were almost all boys. I want to add that we are waiting for that fateful day too, puberty wise. We have had a few signs, in fact, we just bought a razor for her 3 underarm hairs (groan). But Beth is actually WANTING all that stuff to happen. She is constantly reminding me that she is a PRE TEEN, and in just a few years she will be a TEEN AGER! ARGH!

One of the things we did/do with Beth is get her involved in as much stuff as we can, like Girl Scouts for example. Things that are cheap or free where she can interact with other kids her age. She just bridged to Juniors. She was a Brownie and earned ALL the possible badges a Brownie could earn. Thankfully she doesn't want to do that with the Junior badges (there are a lot more of them and you have to do a lot harder work for them) She has actually done GS Resident camp for a week the last 3 summers, she loves it.

Anyhow, I look forward to having a place to share about Beth, and hear about all the other great kids!

[Sigmund]

Some people poo-poo "new" childhood disorders like Autism, Aspbergers, dyslexia, AD/HD saying, "back in my day there wasn't anything a good talking to or a trip to the woodshed wouldn't 'cure ". Then you see how even in utero the fetus (through the Mom) is being bombarded with food additives, hormones, etc. My son was told to stay away from nitrates-that narrowed his food choices considerably. Now he may have to stay away from gluten-gluten is found in hundreds of foods as a "filler" or "stabilizer" (whatever that entails). There is an isle that has gluten "free" foods but it's a very small group.
But remember, the almighty, green dollar makes everything okay. Don't panic. Don't question. Don't trouble yourself with "facts" and "studies".

[JohnDalglish]

Hi,

Aye, indeed, Siggy.

And I'm sure that the large percentage using soy formula is because of latose intolerance, so what happened to those kids fifty years ago, say, did they just die?

And what about peanuts? How many did they kill in the good old days?

Long days and pleasant nights

[Sigmund]

I remember a while ago, my Mother telling me that Rachel had gotten a bowl of Spaghettio's out the the microwave that was boiling hot.( before she could assist her) She ended up spilling it on herself leaving blisters on her foot. I asked if she was OK? My mother said she had absolutely no reaction to the pain. No change in facial expression, no tears not even a flinch.( Not even at the Dr.s) I've always been sure that she felt it, but couldn't properly express it. Any thoughts?

I did a quick research. You might want to have the doctor (preferably a pediatric neurologist) rule out peripheral neuorpathy.
Good luck.

[Becks19]

I did a quick research. You might want to have the doctor (preferably a pediatric neurologist) rule out peripheral neuorpathy.
Good luck.

Siggy, I'll mention it to my Mother. It would probably, be something she would wish to rule out.

[Breger3]

8701

Beth in her Junior Girl Scout vest. Just wanted to share her with you all.

[Maddie]

8701

Beth in her Junior Girl Scout vest. Just wanted to share her with you all.

Beth is absolutely beautiful, cute as pie, and she looks soooo happy, shes just beaming! Thank you for sharing her, we look forward to so much more. :smile2:

[Breger3]

Beth is absolutely beautiful, cute as pie, and she looks soooo happy, shes just beaming! Thank you for sharing her, we look forward to so much more. :smile2:

Thank you so much, that means a lot to me. I look forward to sharing with all of you, especially once this school year started.

[Moderator]

Was browsing through the Apple News notices and came across this article (http://www.sfweekly.com/2010-08-11/news/ihelp-for-autism/) originally published in SF Weekly News about how the iPad is helping autistic kids so thought I would share it with you. :smile2:

[Becks19]

Was browsing through the Apple News notices and came across this article (http://www.sfweekly.com/2010-08-11/news/ihelp-for-autism/) originally published in SF Weekly News about how the iPad is helping autistic kids so thought I would share it with you. :smile2:

Fantastic article. Thank you for sharing that! ( got to call my Mom and tell her :biggrin2:)

[Sigmund]

That is very interesting. I remember when my son was taking classes for his dyslexia they showed me how many dyslexics, (for reasons which can only be explained by unknown neurological manifestations) can read better when its on certain colors of paper (yellow, pink, green) and that dyslexics are better able to read cursive rather than printed/block letters. Neurology is fascinating but a tiny glitch can wreak havoc.

[purplechaos]

, hi! my son has Asperger's syndrome. He is very smart but, has hard times with really simple things. He is 15, he tells me that he doesn't have a "disability" people who laugh or bully those who are different are the ones with the disability.

[JellybeanJay]

, hi! my son has Asperger's syndrome. He is very smart but, has hard times with really simple things. He is 15, he tells me that he doesn't have a "disability" people who laugh or bully those who are different are the ones with the disability.

Thanks for sharing that purplechaos. I think it is great that your son has that attitude. When my son was in preschool I registered him in a preschool that was a mixture of what the school board called special needs children and community children. My son loved his preschool, he had two friends that he really enjoyed playing with and they were both children with special needs. One little boy has cerebral palsy and the other little boy has fragile X, which had similar traits to autism.

While we were planning Tyson's (that's my son) birthday party he made sure that we were inviting these two little boys to the party. He said "Mommy, we have to invite them, they probably don't get to go to birthday parties, so they can come to mine." I have never heard sweeter words come out of a 5 yr olds mouth.

[~Ally~]

Was browsing through the Apple News notices and came across this article (http://www.sfweekly.com/2010-08-11/news/ihelp-for-autism/) originally published in SF Weekly News about how the iPad is helping autistic kids so thought I would share it with you. :smile2:

Thanks for this Ms Mod, will have to forward the article to my sister. I find it fascinating how technology like this can have a positive effect on autistic children. Ever since she was old enough to hold a "Gameboy" my niece--who is autistic--could play the games on it. She's the same with a "DS" and "PS3" now, and plays anything on them at ease.
I don't even know how to start them up. :biggrin2:

[Breger3]

, hi! my son has Asperger's syndrome. He is very smart but, has hard times with really simple things. He is 15, he tells me that he doesn't have a "disability" people who laugh or bully those who are different are the ones with the disability.

I LOVE that, ask him if I can use that quote please!

[Breger3]

Elizabeth was voted onto student council today, she is the Rep for her class. She is very excited!

[JohnDalglish]

Hi,

Congrats, Breger, that's great!

I heard in passing something on the news tonight about a possible genetic link to ADHD etc, but I'm afraid I didn't catch any more than that, does anyone know anything about this?

Long days and pleasant nights

[Breger3]

Hi,

Congrats, Breger, that's great!

I heard in passing something on the news tonight about a possible genetic link to ADHD etc, but I'm afraid I didn't catch any more than that, does anyone know anything about this?


Thanks John.

I don't know about that, but I do know that in our family autism appears to be genetic, after my daughter was diagnosed my two brothers got diagnosed, and my dad. We are pretty sure my husband's father may have been autistic too.

I would be interested in reading what they had to say.

[Maddie]

That is WONDERFUL news about Elizabeth, thank you for sharing that. :smile2: She just blossoms more and more doesn't she? and something like this is even more encouraging for her! I'm so thrilled for you two. :smile2:

I am sooo sorry it took me so long to get back in here, I have the link to the recent study.....

http://www.sciencecodex.com/study_finds_first_direct_evidence_that_adhd_is_a_genetic_dis order

[JohnDalglish]

Hi,

Thankee for the link, Amanda, fascinating study, isn't it?

Long days and pleasant nights

[Maddie]

I caught this on the news last night and its a very touching and inspiring story ..... I couldn't locate the footage I saw but theres a short video here at the link below ...

Rachel and Jeffery have 'been together' since 3rd grade, they both have Down Syndrome, as teens they are now 'boyfriend and girlfriend' and have so touched lives of those around them, were nominated and ultimately elected Homecoming King and Queen by their peers.

http://www.cbsatlanta.com/news/25431609/detail.html

http://www.cbsatlanta.com/2010/1018/25430252_240X320.jpg

[JohnDalglish]

Hi,

Lovely story, Amanda, thankee for posting it.

In the UK we have no equivalent of a 'homecoming king and queen' (except if you're a daydream believer) so it always makes me think of Carrie.

So imagine my surprise when it turned out to be at DACULA High School!

Long days and pleasant nights

[Becks19]

I caught this on the news last night and its a very touching and inspiring story ..... I couldn't locate the footage I saw but theres a short video here at the link below ...

Rachel and Jeffery have 'been together' since 3rd grade, they both have Down Syndrome, as teens they are now 'boyfriend and girlfriend' and have so touched lives of those around them, were nominated and ultimately elected Homecoming King and Queen by their peers.

http://www.cbsatlanta.com/news/25431609/detail.html

http://www.cbsatlanta.com/2010/1018/25430252_240X320.jpg

That is so awesomely sweet! Way to go!! Thanks for posting this, it is wonderful!!

[JohnDalglish]

That is so awesomely sweet! Way to go!! Thanks for posting this, it is wonderful!!

Hi,

I couldn't agree more, Mookie, a very heart-warming story.

I wish them both all the best for the future.

Long days and pleasant nights

[JohnDalglish]

Hi,

I was just about to ask if Down's syndrome was genetic or hereditary or what when I thought I should just look it up and post the link here.

Down's Syndrome

Long days and pleasdant nights

[JohnDalglish]

Hi,

I saw a clip on the news the other night where a Russian politician was advocating euthanasia for Down's Syndrome babies, apparently 85% of them end up in state 'care' in Russia!!

All sounded a bit Hitlerian/Master Race to me, anybody else see it or has a link about it?

Long days and pleasant nights

[JohnDalglish]

Hi,

Please wish Miranda an extra special Xmas from the SKMB, Amanda.

Merry Xmas, Miranda

And to all the other special children on the MB too.

Long days and pleasant nights

[Haunted]

Hi,

I saw a clip on the news the other night where a Russian politician was advocating euthanasia for Down's Syndrome babies, apparently 85% of them end up in state 'care' in Russia!!

All sounded a bit Hitlerian/Master Race to me, anybody else see it or has a link about it?

Long days and pleasant nights

And this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/10/magazine/10WWLN.html

Hitler adopted this practice from the German doctors who had been practicing selective medicine since the late 1920's; psychiatric patients were being gassed and even WWI amputees!!!

"If the physician presumes to take into consideration in his work whether a life has value or not, the consequences are boundless and the physician becomes the most dangerous man in the state."
--Dr. Christoph Hufeland
(1762-1836)*

*A Sign for Cain--Chapter Nine--The Geranium in the Window


It becomes the question: Do you as a person have value to the state?

[Haunted]

And this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/10/magazine/10WWLN.html

Hitler adopted this practice from the German doctors who had been practicing selective medicine since the late 1920's; psychiatric patients were being gassed and even WWI amputees!!!

"If the physician presumes to take into consideration in his work whether a life has value or not, the consequences are boundless and the physician becomes the most dangerous man in the state."
--Dr. Christoph Hufeland
(1762-1836)*

*A Sign for Cain--Chapter Nine--The Geranium in the Window
correction: A Sign for Cain: An Exploration of Human Violence by Frederic Wertham, M. D.
Chapter Nine--The Geranium in the Window



It becomes the question: Do you as a person have value to the state?



A Sign for Cain: An Exploration of Human Violence by Frederic Wertham, M. D.
Chapter Nine--The Geranium in the Window

[JohnDalglish]

Hi,

Thankee for posting that, Haunted.

My goodness, what's the world coming to?

Long days and pleasant nights

[Maddie]

Hi,

Please wish Miranda an extra special Xmas from the SKMB, Amanda.

Merry Xmas, Miranda

And to all the other special children on the MB too.

Long days and pleasant nights

Thank you for your genuine love and care John, she Loved this banner! According to her it was 'the best Christmas ever!' and so it was! though she sported it with her new 'Bangless' haircut :rofl: gifts and scissors, I forgot, :laugh:

Thank you for sharing that link Haunted :eek2: very scary realities, imagine all the things we will never even know.

Children with special needs have an important purpose here, not necessarily to learn, but to teach .... as with this awesome, exceptionally gifted little man named Jon whom I would like to introduce you ...... and invite to spend a 'day with Jon' to see these incredible videos. :smile2:

http://www.teachingsofjon.com/

[JohnDalglish]

Hi,

Glad she liked it, Amanda, and thankee for the link, very good!

Long days and pleasant nights