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thymeoperator
October 7th, 2009, 07:43 AM
i wrote the most scathing 3-page letter to my local MP a couple weeks ago after the announcement to cut education spending in the uk next year. apparently it's been passed on to the minister of education. but i wondered what other people's thoughts on this are. my husband is a music teacher and keeps losing work due to these cuts, which i think is a huge mistake even apart from the view of us losing money, because music is an important thing that has been proven to make healthier, happier, more expressive people and help with things like autism and depression. next thing you know we'll have no extra-curricular activities and the kids will be on the streets turning to crime...oh wait, that's sort of already happening. furthermore, there are the job cuts - and also i tutor english on the weekends and the teaching is already very poor, teachers seem to leave mid-year and students from all over the county report to me they've had three or four teachers a year and don't know what their exam will consist of at gcse and they have never even heard the word 'essay' despite the gcse consisting of three essays, and one student the other day told me her teacher had never heard of the word 'thesis' when my student asked her about it after learning this from me! i was just shocked. they just fail the students without ever stopping to think why these students are doing such poor work, etc. etc. i could go on. and my dad is a teacher in further education and they've lost so much funding he's now teaching creative writing, acting and speech...and he's actually a music technology teacher! and yet gordon brown seems to think our schools can lose even MORE money.

a day after i heard about that, i saw the headline they're sending 1000 more men into afghanistan. then today i read the news about the tory pledge to cut all this spending - and i've heard also they want to cut on benefits to people, disability allowance, etc. - and yet they want to increase spending on soldiers off at war. what the hell is even going on with this war? it's a total mess. the PEOPLE of the nation are saying bring the soldiers back home, and yet the govt is just ignoring this majority view and have decided hey, let's cut spending on things we genuinely need in this country, and pump all that funding into the war instead. that's a good idea! these people are absolutely nuts and i find it despicable that politics work in such a way that you only really get to vote between two or three 'evils' (i mean that figuratively only) and all these other more minor parties will never stand a chance of getting in office because even if the majority of people voted for other parties, we're voting for so many different ones that individually it's always the same two main parties getting into office, and they're both as awful as each other. i have a very bleak outlook for the future, personally.

aptpupil
October 7th, 2009, 01:25 PM
Hi Vrinda,

When it comes to the subject of military expansionism, and the spreading of "freedom and democracy" via the barrel of a gun, it won't matter whether Brown or Cameron reside at No. 10.

They're puppets, and President Obama is the puppet-master.

As for your other gripe, the UK is in serious debt, and the government will always identify the soft targets with regard to money-saving. Sad but true. :eyebrow:

~Ally~
October 7th, 2009, 08:30 PM
I was actually going to bring up this topic of education cuts myself but I haven't been around much the last few days, so thank you Thymeoperator. I agree with all your main points and as Drew says it doesn't matter who is in power, Labour or Conservatives, unfortunately this once great country of ours is screwed!

Camerons 10point plan in a manifesto for change which he submitted to the Sun newspaper was nothing but a joke, as is the Sun itself however. There was no semblance of coherence in anything he was suggesting. I don't understand how he could place education and the NHS both in the same category at number 8, surely since they are very seperate areas they deserve individual attention? This suggests to me that he has no intention of addressing anything within these areas, they were merely thrown in as an after thought.

I was also insulted not only by supplying troops with adequate equipment (they should not be fighting, period) but also the suggestion he will give them free sports memberships and tickets to music events. I'm sure a gym membership will be very helpful to those who are coming back with limbs missing. Laughable. These people come home, if they are lucky, and are insulted by teenage scum as was the case reported of the soldier last week. To think he lost his limbs fighting in this "war" and those pathetic idiots find it funny to tease him over this turns my stomach...it actually made me cry to read about it.

Whomever is next in power the first thing they need to address is the obvious disrespect these "members" of society have for others. Reducing crime is where they really need to get tough. Instead of cutting costs on education I believe they could save a lot by reducing the amount of money wasted on keeping prisoners comfortable in jail. Maybe if they didn't find prison so accommodating they wouldn't reoffend and be a drain on national resources.
Just a thought!

thymeoperator
October 9th, 2009, 10:11 AM
you mentioned healthcare, and i mentioned that in my letter too - a letter that i fully expect to have no impact on anything at all, but it sure felt good to yell at them anyway.

what really gets me is that they go on and on about how we have all this unemployment and need to create more jobs...and then they go and cut thousands of jobs in the health and education sectors! i mean, gee, not like those are vitally important to our society, right? i guess in the case of healthcare, though, it makes sense because if we end up with no children being properly educated they won't be able to become doctors and nurses in the end anyway, right?

i am clearly incapable of speaking about this without sarcasm, btw. the whole system is just so disgusting.

rjt65
October 9th, 2009, 11:35 AM
ooh can we start a disruptive thread on British poilitics bwahahahahaha:laugh::cool2:

thanks for mentioning the plan Ally---- so in a quick look and i have not seen much on this at all but just goggled it and read the list--can you guys tell me what the issues are --on face value all the points seem fine and cutting out waste.

But as usual i am sure mucho more is behind it. So #8 is cutting education spending? So educate me what the 10 point plan is and what is the people feelings over there about your leader?

And APT fyi Obama won the Nobel today and is now asking for UK people to learn the word "Soccer"..... ;-)




http://www.tom-watson.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/cameron-ten-point-plan.jpg

thymeoperator
October 9th, 2009, 11:53 AM
they left out the bit that was reported in 'the times' about how they're going to stop pay rises for anyone in the public sector earning at least 18k - which btw is like nothing in this day and age, so anyone working in the public sector (such as teachers, drs, etc) apparently (if i'm understanding this right) has no hope of earning any more money than their already piddly salaries for doing some of our most important jobs...which gordon brown is cutting next year.

JohnDalglish
October 9th, 2009, 12:07 PM
Hi,

I can't understand how they can push for a wage freeze without an equivalent price freeze.

Long days and pleasant nights

thymeoperator
October 14th, 2009, 08:06 AM
yes john i'd say that is spot on and about sums it all up!