A weird theory about The Stand.

[TwystedMonkey]

This could be the dumbest thing some of you have ever heard. Anyways does anyone else think that the world the Stand took place in eventually becomes the future Roland the Gunslinger comes from. I can easily see him being some relation to Stu Redman but a couple hundred year ahead. Like I said maybe the dumbest thing you have ever heard but I would love to hear what you think either way....

[Patricia A]

This could be the dumbest thing some of you have ever heard. Anyways does anyone else think that the world the Stand took place in eventually becomes the future Roland the Gunslinger comes from. I can easily see him being some relation to Stu Redman but a couple hundred year ahead. Like I said maybe the dumbest thing you have ever heard but I would love to hear what you think either way....
No it's not even close to the dumbest thing I've ever heard. :biggrin2:

I see a lot of Gunslinger in Stu. Roland is more jaded than Stu but I absolutely see what you mean.

[TwystedMonkey]

I have had this theory since the first time I read "The Stand" I have now read it three times and listened to it once. The first thing I thought was wow that version of earth has moved on in a huge way and thats when other things started to click. The world the Gilead exsisted in seems to be our world but of course a couple of hundred years in the future. And alot of "older" buildings and technology seems to have been left behind and the superflu could be the reason for that. And although Las Vegas and a huge chunk of the "bad" people were vaporized some must have survived to evolve into Farson's Army. Flagg was involved in the fall of the Gilead which leads me to beleive that in "The Stand" Flagg was being manipulated (by CK maybe....?) to destroy the Boulder Free Zone before it could become Giliead and give rise to Roland..... a little convoluted but you never know when it comes to Sai King I guess.

[sknut70]

Did you read all of the dark tower books? Its not a spoiler to say that in book 4 images from the stand does appear.

It does seem that Roland's world is the product of a decimated civilization many years past. The world of the stand is quite feasible. I think Stu had a little more of a sense of humor than long tall and ugly though. imo

[themadone06]

Well throughout the books, I just finished the Wolves, the gunslingers go through doors that lead to different times, but also different spheres of dimensions. I believe that Roland's world is literally thousands of years in the future from our world, and was ripped apart by war (most likely nuclear war). Gilead was the last line of freedom, democracy, and the white light.

In the fourth book the gunslingers, with the help of the Thinny, go back to the world of the Stand where there were visible differences from out world. The Nozz-a-la soda they drank was one, and the Kansas City Monarchs was another example of differences. My theory is also supported when Pere Callahan would cross between worlds where Washington would be on the fives and Lincoln was on the ones. Lets also remember Spiro Agnew was president in one world.

All these worlds link together, but I believe that Rolands world and the Stand are different dimensions, not different times in the same historical time line. I think of it more as an overlap in reality. The worlds are so similar but have subtle differences.

[TwystedMonkey]

200-300 and a sense of humor could easily have been bred out of the Redman line as it became the Deschain line. Specially after dealing with even the remnants of Flagg's people. And from everything I remember reading in all the Dark Tower books (yes i did read all of them multiple times) Roland is rough and tough but I don't ever remember him being described as ugly...

[K4driver]

I have said that since reading The Stand twice and The Dark tower a few times.
Like I have said, The Calla Could be Boulder, or perhaps Lud Could be Saint Louis,The old people could also be Boulder maybe. also going with it Mejis Could be the west Coast or even Texas, Due to the old oil wells. and of Course a certain city appears in DT4, with references to the stand watch for the walking dude, "I'd say this building has been left unmaintained since the start of summer" Eddie Dean DT4, PG 71. Clevand Fires burn unchecked, wow trashy's fire at cheery oil Got around huh? A body hanging from a lampost in times square? Sounds familiar huh? Fires in Terre haute. June 24th 1986.

Also Going with it, Frannie might have been Gabrielle, and Stu, His Father. as said in the Dark tower, time is inconsistant so what seems like hundreds of years could actually be just decades.
Eddie Could be The other level Child of Larry Underwood. "Go then, There are other worlds then these"


You can tell I have really thought this out

[phidgt]

Quite frankly, I don't think any theories about the inter-relationships of King's books would be considered dumb. I find them quite interesting.

[MellowLedbetter]

I love the theories. keep em comin. but yeah i think that its more of an alternate demensions thing rather than the doors and the thinny's been time travelling devices.

[TwystedMonkey]

Though its in the wrong section and I will eventually post it there to in Relation to the Dark Tower..... Spoiler warning for those who haven't read the whole Dark Tower Series.


















I thought for certain that the Baby Suzanne gave birth to was going to be Tak. I know it wasn't but it would have been interesting. And to really confuse this post and make people think. I wonder if Tak is related to Perse from Duma Key. Like a set of Demonic Siblings. They both used special people to alter reality so they have that in common.....

[sknut70]

200-300 and a sense of humor could easily have been bred out of the Redman line as it became the Deschain line. Specially after dealing with even the remnants of Flagg's people. And from everything I remember reading in all the Dark Tower books (yes i did read all of them multiple times) Roland is rough and tough but I don't ever remember him being described as ugly...


eddie calls him long tall and ugly in a few places, but I never thought of him as ugly per say

[Ilian]

I wouldnt say it is dumb at all. Captain Trips is mentioned in The wizard and Glass as the disease that decimated the population of that Kansas, when Roland and His party travel to that place, when they lose the beam. There is a Huge possibility that the world That "moved on" in The Stand becomes the world of the Gunslinger.

[LunaDementia]

It's crossed my mind.....anything in Mr. King's 'worlds' is possible.....

[amcbride]

These theories are definetely interesting and really make you think, I never really thought of the world in the Stand as the same place where Gilead was, but it is cool to think about. I originally thought they were connected on different levels of the beam however.

[Tery]

Doesn't sound any more dumb than lots of other things I've heard. And, considering the way all the stories are (tenuously, at times) connected and the nature of the Tower itself... hey, why not?

[Triilz]

You know, I kinda thought that, too.

[hapijoyo]

Mr. King has intertwined so many of his characters & stories, anything's possible. He's taken us to the land of "The Gunslinger", known as the territories in some stories ("The Talisman" & "Black House, plus it's mentioned in "Hearts of Atlantis") which is a parallel world or dimension to ours, so it's likely. King's used the evil Randall Flagg in other stories, he just uses different names (always with the same initials of RF), so maybe Stu has a twinner in the territories. If you don't know what a twinner is, read the previously mentioned stories. It's amazing how Mr. King has subtly connected so many of his stories over 3 decades. I've read almost all of his books at least 3 times & didn't catch some of the connections right away, but most of his books have at least one character or event that ties them to another story or book.

[K4driver]

I have been saying...Eddie Dean's twinner has to be Larry Underwood. like they have said in the DT books Go on then, there are other worlds then these So it is possible

[DancingCorpse]

I think this is a very interesting theory.

[Srbo]

Not a dumb question at all.

Example:

In the movie Million Dollar Baby ( kaincidentally starring Rolands alter ego in this when, Clint Eastwood ) this guy Danger keeps looking at a frozen bottle of water for a long, long time...
The dialogue goes like this ( and, wow, another kaincidence, Morgan Freeman stars as a guy named Eddie):



Eddie Scrap-Iron Dupris: Now, what seems to be the trouble, Danger ?
Danger Barch: Can I ask you a dumb question ?
Eddie: There ain`t no such thing.
Danger: How'd you get all the ice in here through this little tiny hole?
Eddie:.....(silence)

:wink2:

[randallFlaggfan1]

Yeah, the theorie's are great, and definitely feasible! I, too, have suspected a connection between the two.

[GNTLGNT]

O.K.,

I think it's a fascinating theory and we all know that everythings(eventual) related in Uncle Steve's universe. My own take is, that if Roland is related to Stu-what about Larry Underwood and Eddie Dean? C'mon they were both gentlemen of less than savory character who validated themselves in a wonderful way. Whaddya think?

Long Days and Pleasant Nights!

The Giant

[K4driver]

O.K.,

I think it's a fascinating theory and we all know that everythings(eventual) related in Uncle Steve's universe. My own take is, that if Roland is related to Stu-what about Larry Underwood and Eddie Dean? C'mon they were both gentlemen of less than savory character who validated themselves in a wonderful way. Whaddya think?

Long Days and Pleasant Nights!

The Giant

I said something to a similar stance about Larry. He is Larry on that level of the tower, and Larry is Eddie on that level of the tower, same thing with Eddie and Cuthbert

[GNTLGNT]

Exactly!!

[jwt5004]

I've always felt that the similarities in story line and characters were a result more related to how SK's mind works than an intentional correlation or homage unless SK purposefully made a connection that he wanted others to see. There is a definite rhythm to SK writings that once you have six or seven stories under your belt, I think you can definitely identify. I am certainly not scholarly enough to express exactly what that rhythm is but then again, I love jazz, rock, arias, some rap (old school), latin.....because they all have a rhythm that pleases me, moves me or otherwise appeals to me.

I first read the stand the summer of my junior year in HS, sitting in webbed lounge chair on the back porch. I was somehow able to ignore the mosquitos and flying roaches (it is Florida), totally enthralled with each page. That was over 30 years ago but it seems like yesterday. I've been hooked ever since. I can't think of another novel that captured my interest and imagination, or scared the crap out of me the way The Stand did that summer. I've always wanted to send SK a personal thank you for that summer but never had the nerve. I just knew I was his number one fan, then came Misery and i was definitely not going to write him after that one!

[flamingpretzel]

It seems highly unlikely. Each of his books and stories exist on some level of the Tower (different planets, universes, realities,) and TDK traverses a lot of them, but going through the thinny in Wizard and Glass transports them to another level (book) of the tower, where Marten is Flagg, and the Kansas City Royals are the Monarchs. Each world is intertwined with the others and things bleed through because of the strain on the Tower from the beams breaking. Sorry if I'm overexplaining this and reading too much into it, but it's pretty well explained in the books and concordances. At least that's what I got out of them.