If Lud is NYC, where is Dis?

[Haru of Lud]

You know Lud from the Dark Tower is New York (and the holder of the Green piece of the Wizards Rainbow). So where is Dis (mentioned in Wizard and Glass), resting place of the orange ball? What is its placeholder in our world? What happened to it?
I'm only asking-you draw your own conclusions. I think it might be either Boston or Chicago. Probably the second one.

[JRLauer]

It's been awhile since I read that book, I'd have to go back and read it again.

[Bluey Lunger]

dunno. green=lud. not! hey? so orange=? could ask steven, who told the boys about it. i'm thinking coast, west or east, dunno. the total hogs had the blue for a time. desert dwellers. blue/desert. not! unless it's sky. so orange=? a setting sun, or rising? pretzel logic.

[TBlack]

It's in Orlando, Florida.... Where all the other oranges are!
(Anita Bryant made me say that!!!):rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Bluey Lunger]

prolly floating around w/the shells under big pink

[Bluey Lunger]

found another clue. in hearts in atlantis, bobby's mom gave him a small flat package wrapped in silver paper. inside was an orange library card. isn't there a blood orange? library of congress maybe, somewhere the stacks.

[scratchesass]

Dis is in the South. De DEEP sowwth, perhaps in Mississippi. I know because the people in Mississippi say things like "Dis town ain't got nuthin to do." And, "Dis is a good place to live, de rivah ain't come up and flooded us out all yeah ".


PS: I'm frum de Sowth, an I kin make fun ub de way we tawk if I wants too!

[Prince of Darkness]

Hi,

Gotta love the speculation.

If green symbolises radiation, sickness, death, which suits with Lud - then wouldn't orange, which symbolises the burning of a person's former self and inner-transformation (in Hinduism), and an aura of stubbornness to psychics, suit with Los Angeles?

Of course, without Sai King's opinion, we will never know. All we can do is speculate.

Long days and pleasant nights

[SKfan2006]

probably LA or San Fran.

[Brian]

I've been doing a ton of research into the DT mythos the past 6 month. I could be totally wrong, but Lud is not NYC.

In DT 7, Jake tells the wash boy in the Dixie Pig that NYC is *like* Lud. - "They have video games, man." :smile2:

In narrative, I think Stephen writes...that even Lud someohow does not measure up to NYC. That all cities do not live up to NYC's greatness. - I tend to agree.

In short, i think that Lud is kind of the "NYC" of Mid-World. Thats about the only way you can compare the two.

-B

PS: Then agian, this mythos is so crazy, chaotic and variable, I could be full of it.

[Shasta]

I've been doing a ton of research into the DT mythos the past 6 month. I could be totally wrong, but Lud is not NYC.

In DT 7, Jake tells the wash boy in the Dixie Pig that NYC is *like* Lud. - "They have video games, man." :smile2:

In narrative, I think Stephen writes...that even Lud someohow does not measure up to NYC. That all cities do not live up to NYC's greatness. - I tend to agree.

In short, i think that Lud is kind of the "NYC" of Mid-World. Thats about the only way you can compare the two.

-B

PS: Then agian, this mythos is so crazy, chaotic and variable, I could be full of it.

I couldn't agree with you more, Brian. It is made abundantly clear that Eddie and Jake hope Lud is like New York in DT3 but Roland tells them time and again that it is not NY.

[Bev Vincent]

Yeah, I seem to recall that Lud was "geographically near to" St. Louis.

[finalfantasyVII]

Hey now that was FUNNY:laugh::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[knarf]

wowzer shasta that is some deep stuff that like blew my mind for a second because when i was reading them i never looked at it that way..but thats reallyyyyy interesting =)

[Lencho_of_the_Apes]

It doesn't answer anybody's questions, but oddly enough, I recently discovered that (in the real world) "Lud" was an old, old archaic name for London, Alexander Pope called it that in The Dunciad.

We all float down here...

[Robert Gray]

There is evidence to support Lud as being an alternate, futuristic NYC and there is evidence to suggest otherwise. I am not convinced solely by the existence of a bridge of "familiar" name. While the geography of Roland's world is strange and different, there are issues, not the least of which is the fact that Roland had gone all the way to the Western Sea. I always took this to be the Pacific because of the geography of the deserts he crossed and the mountains he had to pass. The journey north up the beach and then into the forest and following the beam was clearly NOT a long enough journey to take them back to the east coast. I think the counterpart of Lud is still up in the air.

[TBlack]

"There are other Worlds than these."

[BlackThorn]

Hahaha. I pretty much can swear on the fact that King narrates at one point, that it is the George Washington Bridge. Although he states it from the back of his omnipotent point of view, if I remember correctly. None of the characters would have even had a chance to catch the thought.

However, saying that it was the George Washington Bridge, could possibly mean that the bridge itself was a fixed natural nexus point between worlds. If it was that bridge, then on either end was another version of New York, or Lud, or even some other cities that will never exist in our world. Maybe neither end of it existed the same in our world. At one point, we see Brautigan do that fun trick of keeping track of which presidents are on which bill denominations as he continuously crossed between various worlds, using the same bridge to shift worlds. He called them "highways in hiding", and they were more like natural doorways between worlds, compared with the physical doors that it seemed science had spawned into existance. But either way, he traveled through world after world, just by going back and forth on that one bridge in different times.

I don't remember, was it that bridge Brautigan used in his story of shifting between the worlds? It was a smaller bridge under a bigger one, and that was the case in Lud too. In Lud though, the other bridge had been destroyed.

Although I have no idea about Dis. Discordia, mayhap? There was a lot of business in those dark hallways under the castle and beyond. I always just figured that as one of the nexus points of world doorways though. Not a location that kept hold of the orange orb. Maybe, down in some nasty lab section down it was housed for a time. The Chrimson King knew how powerful those orbs were as more than just seeing tools, they could also be used as weapons, like cancerous but amazing bombs that had an unavoidable alure. Maybe the only reason they were anywhere but in his own clutches, was because he knew (foresaw even?) that they would be much more dangerous if they were out causing their own mischeif.

But really, saying the green glass was Lud wouldn't have meant much. Any of the glasses could be anywhere at any given time. It was just those directions the spheres were rumored to have moved into, and I always figured the greater gunslingers kept where they were supposed to be within their own quiet council. Not to mention, all the balls were destroyed before we first truly see the tower.

[Matticus]

I never got the idea that Lud was NYC. Furthermore, I never assumed any of the topography directly related to us. I know people feel like All-World is somehow our future but it just isn't.

It is another level of the Tower so that means nothing is the same no matter how much a person tries to fit it.

[Shasta]

Hahaha. I pretty much can swear on the fact that King narrates at one point, that it is the George Washington Bridge. Although he states it from the back of his omnipotent point of view, if I remember correctly. None of the characters would have even had a chance to catch the thought.



I, literally, just finished this book for, probably, the 5th time two days ago. Eddie thinks that it looks like the GW bridge but it is never stated that it actually is. When I get home i'll look and see if I can find the passage.

[Robert Gray]

I recall him saying it "looked" like the GW bridge too. That isn't the same as being the GW bridge. If it had been, I'm sure Eddie Dean would have recognized it without fail and Lud being "New York" would have been a topic of conversation. If I were to go by the geography (and I do not have the books in front of me), I would guess that Roland chases the man in black across the great desert (fly over country) of the U.S. and hits the absolute worst of it as one would expect in our world. The land right before the mountains leading to the Pacific are hard. He goes across the desert, over the mountains, north along the beach for a long time. Eventually the beach comes to an end as he and his new Gunslingers enter forest enroute to the lands which will eventually lead them to Lud. While the geography of Roland's world no longer makes sense, I do not think it twisted them back to the east coast. I think it far more likely that Lud is some Northern Californian city or further inland to some Imperial version of a city in Nevada. It is difficult to tell really. There is no certainty that any of the geography matches the U.S. closely.

[Bluey Lunger]

toward the end of the waste lands (i think) there's that route map, lud on one end, candleton, rilea, the falls of the hounds, dasherville, and the last leg, to topeka. if you lay that on a map of the usa (and there's a certain amount of hubris doing so, no, akin to assuming the president is the antichrist, 'nother story, but only americans could be so arrogant to assume the antichrist would show up here) where was i, oh yeah, the route map.

lud kinda corresponds to las vegas, a fictionalized, another world las vegas, but kinda makes sense, given the stand, and that the good folk who knew how to work the machines went boom. candleton? dunno, grand forks maybe.

north of topeka we got sturgis, north dakota and ain't that a hoot, what with the harleys that roll into sturgis every year, i 'spose some of the locals would look at that as the coming of the wolves. but with everything twisted and lengthening, didn't roland say something about a certain distance taking him a looooong time to cross, as if the distance was increasing as he travelled?

good question, though. it's fun to speculate, shoot ideas off one another.

[Shasta]

I think it's very important to realize that Roland's world is not our world. Just like the Topeka in DT4 is not our Topeka. Jake, Eddie, and Suzannah's world may not even be the same. There may be no equivalent cities in Roland's world because in his world many different things have happened. Maybe some sort of man-caused weather catastrophe happened and Hawaii is where Roland meets the man in black because that's where the new west coast is. (That would actually be pretty cool.)

[Bluey Lunger]

i don't think dis is a place, more a state of mind, o discordia! and we're sposed to repudiate it. try to, anyway.