Shooting in Butte Montana

[JRLauer]

I saw this, thought it was interesting.


Shooting in Butte, Montana

Shotgun Preteen vs. Illegal Alien Home Invaders :

Butte, Montana November 5, 2007

Two illegal aliens, Raphael Resindez, 23, and Enrico Garza, 26, probably believed they would easily overpower home-alone 11 year old Patricia Harrington after her father had left their two-story home.

It seems the two crooks never learned two things: they were in Montana and Patricia had been a clay shooting champion since she was nine.

Patricia was in her upstairs room when the two men broke through the front door of the house. She quickly ran to her father's room and grabbed his 12 gauge Mossberg 500 shotgun.

Resindez was the first to get up to the second floor only to be the first to catch a near point blank blast of buckshot from the 11-year-old's knee crouch aim. He suffered fatal wounds to his abdomen and genitals.

When Garza ran to the foot of the stairs, he took a blast to the left shoulder and staggered out into the street where he bled to death before medical help could arrive.

It was found out later that Resindez was armed with a stolen 45 caliber handgun he took from another home invasion robbery. That victim, 50-year-old David Burien, was not so lucky. He died from stab wounds to the chest.

Ever wonder why good stuff never makes NBC, CBS, PBS, & MSNBC, CNN, or ABC news........an 11 year old girl, properly trained, defended her home and herself.... ..against two murderous, illegal aliens .......and she wins, she is still alive.

[Kurt Rambis throwback]

she's in the militia probably

[CorbinKale]

Don't you just feel great when, despite the best efforts of a nanny government to strip the citizens of their rights and personal responsibility, the good guys win, anyway?

Expect much more of this in the coming years. People are casting off counter-productive 'PC' values and reverting to common sense and logic. My 12 year old son is well-trained and always armed, if I have to leave him home alone. What kind of parent would leave their child defenseless against kidnap, rape or murder?

[brownmouse]

How horrible. To think that that girl has to live with the death of a man on her conscious. At 11. Where were her parents?

[Ubasti]

Good for her.

[Eleese of Gilead.]

Brownmouse, I'm torn here.
I do think it's unfortunate that at 11 she was forced into that position where ultimately she took a life.
On the other side of that coin, what would have happened if she had not been armed? Past circumstances involving the two men would lead you to believe something awful could have taken place.
I used to see myself a humanitarian. Now I'm not so sure. Two murdering illegal aliens, armed with a stolen gun...IMO they earned their fate.

[brownmouse]

Ummm, I did a few searches and found out that this is an 'urban legend' - so to speak. I wasn't trying to disprove it , I was just curious. But, I guess, there was a similar case about 20 years ago but it involved a boy and he shot 2 guys because they were trying to steal a vcr of his. :oo:

[Lizard slushie]

Here's a link to snopes for what brownmouse was saying.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/homeinvasion.asp

[JRLauer]

I'm sorry, I got this e-mail from a buddy of mine who said he read it online as "a news source". Had I known this was an Urban Legend, I wouldn't have posted it. Sorry everyone.

[Ubasti]

You're forgiven. Just don't let it happen again. :wink2:

[JRLauer]

You're forgiven. Just don't let it happen again. :wink2:

I won't, I promise. :wink2:

[brownmouse]

Hey- I totally bought it! The only reason I found out about it is that I was trying to find out more info on how the girl was doing!:wow::biggrin2:

And we have all been there! I completely trusted my Uncle when he told me about his 'friend' who , well, did this : (to be fair, my Uncle completely trusted his friend )

http://www.snopes.com/horrors/gruesome/haredry.asp

I told it to a lot of people and then one day someone told me the story again, about their friend- so there you have it!

[tillyn]

Good for that kid, i can't imagine what they would have done to her if she had not done what she did. :y:

[Autumnlyn]

This story exemplifies why I teach my children to use guns WELL. I believe that living in the country it is so important that they know how to shoot; gun safety and accuracy. Our local police have response times of like 20-30 min., and that is on a good day. Not to mention the wild animals in the area such as Mountain Lions (yes, its true we have em), bears (found scat and prints on the property), bobcats, rattlesnake (oh plenty of those) and good hunting animals too.

Knowledge is power, and if they know how to safely use firearms to protect themselves from all types of predators they are better off.

[smjohn]

How horrible. To think that that girl has to live with the death of a man on her conscious. At 11. Where were her parents?

Unfortunately, some single parents have to leave their kids at home while they go to work. Fortunately, some of us can train our children to protect themselves. I would rather my child live with the fact that he/she may have had to kill someone to protect themselves than not live at all. And, since we can't control the people who come into our lives, we do what we have to.

[smjohn]

Oops...Shoulda read the whole thread before responding, I guess:)

[JRLauer]

This story exemplifies why I teach my children to use guns WELL. I believe that living in the country it is so important that they know how to shoot; gun safety and accuracy. Our local police have response times of like 20-30 min., and that is on a good day. Not to mention the wild animals in the area such as Mountain Lions (yes, its true we have em), bears (found scat and prints on the property), bobcats, rattlesnake (oh plenty of those) and good hunting animals too.

Knowledge is power, and if they know how to safely use firearms to protect themselves from all types of predators they are better off.

I agree with you. I have a six year old daughter and a 357 magnum and I intend on teaching her how to use it. I don't want my daughter to end up as a statistic because she couldn't defend herself when she needed to.

[Tery]

Ah, how nice. NRA propaganda. How comforting to know that they would never try to manipulate people with fear and xenophobia... </snark>

Meanwhile, in the real world, a man in Alabama goes on a rampage with assault rifle. He kills 10 people and NRA-supporter Glenn Beck paints him as a victim of society.

Give. Me. A. Break.

[smjohn]

Ah, how nice. NRA propaganda. How comforting to know that they would never try to manipulate people with fear and xenophobia... </snark>

Meanwhile, in the real world, a man in Alabama goes on a rampage with assault rifle. He kills 10 people and NRA-supporter Glenn Beck paints him as a victim of society.

Give. Me. A. Break.

I don't know who Glenn Beck is or agree with what he supposedly said about this crazy person being a victim of society, (we are ALL victims of society, but we don't ALL shoot each other), but the guy in Alabama killed those people. The gun has no control over the operator.

[Autumnlyn]

I agree with you. I have a six year old daughter and a 357 magnum and I intend on teaching her how to use it. I don't want my daughter to end up as a statistic because she couldn't defend herself when she needed to.

Maybe at six you should start with a BB Gun, a 357 has quite a kick!

[Tery]

I don't know who Glenn Beck is or agree with what he supposedly said about this crazy person being a victim of society, (we are ALL victims of society, but we don't ALL shoot each other), but the guy in Alabama killed those people. The gun has no control over the operator.

No, but we should be able to control who gets a freaking assault rifle! NObody outside of the military or law enforcement should be able to get one, much less purchase the ammunition.

[smjohn]

No, but we should be able to control who gets a freaking assault rifle! NObody outside of the military or law enforcement should be able to get one, much less purchase the ammunition.

So, if a criminal, which got his hands on a gun, breaks into my house to harm my family, I should have to wait for the military or police to get to my house to be protected? I have a feeling that my family will be dead by then. I don't think the guy with the gun who came to hurt us is going to say "hey, no problem...I'll wait until the police get here to start my rampage"... However, if I have a gun to protect my family.....Only making it possible for military and police to carry a gun does NOT keep it out of the hands of the people who only want guns for criminal/senseless violent use.

[Moderator]

My reading of Tery's message was that she was saying no one but the military should have assault rifles, not that there should be a ban on citizens owning guns.

[smjohn]

My reading of Tery's message was that she was saying no one but the military should have assault rifles, not that there should be a ban on citizens owning guns.

Sorry, I apparently read it too fast & jumped to a conclusion. I apologize to Tery for that. I don't need an assault rifle to protect my family, and I agree they should not be in the regular market. I don't know how they can go about keeping them out of the wrong hands, though...Keep them out of the gun dealers hands, perhaps...

[Natjen24]

I don't want to step on any toes here. But do you really think a kid is capable of reading a possible dangerous situation.
Yes, when the villain comes up to them with a knife like in the movies, but I don't think that happens in real life that often.
One, most of the time you don't expect anything to happen and when it does you're too late to react.
Two when you're on constant alert, to avoid number one, you can be a bit trigger happy and I would be mortified if my kids would should someone innocent.
I don't think guns are the answer, to such situations.

When i have kids I would tell them precautions (don't talk to strangers, don't answer the phone when i'm not around, run if you think you're in danger and yell FIRE when you need help).

I just needed to get that of my chest, because when kids get access to guns, situations like last week in Germany happen. I'm not saying any of your kids is capable of such things, but there are bad seeds, none the less.

I'm hoping I'm not insulting anyone, if I am, I'm sorry and I didn't intend to but this is m opinion.

[CorbinKale]

No, but we should be able to control who gets a freaking assault rifle! NObody outside of the military or law enforcement should be able to get one, much less purchase the ammunition.

Looks like no 'assault weapons' were used, after all. The Brady Campaign propagandists are never inconvenienced with facts, however, so expect them to continue to dance in the blood of the victims to further their agenda.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/03/10/shooting.alabama/

Investigators are trying to determine whether the gunman, who Cook said was armed with a semi-automatic weapon, knew any of the victims.

[CorbinKale]

I feel like some education is in order. No 'assault weapons' were banned by the first Assault Weapons Ban. Assault weapons have been illegal, except for grandfathered weapons that are held by licensed, registered citizens, since 1986. The target of the 'so-called assault weapons ban" is only semi-automatic rifles. The enemies of the Constitution and the liberal media love to misname their projects, in order to sway the opinions of the uninformed masses.

65 Congressional Democrats just sent a letter to Attorney General Eric Holder, informing him to back off his plans to further infringe on the constitutionally protected Right to keep and bear arms.

Here, a left wing site gives an accurate accounting of the event, but they fall short of publishing the actual letter to Holder:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20090318/assault-weapon-ban/

Here is the actual letter, published on a right wing site:

http://www.nraila.org/media/PDFs/AWBLettertoHolder309.pdf

I have a military I.D. card, a clean record and decades of extensive training with real Assault Weapons, but I can't go into a gun store and purchase an 'assault weapon'. That would be illegal, under the current unconstitutional laws.

Stop being fooled by talking heads reading from a prompter and agenda driven pundits trying to scare an opinion into you. Inform yourselves, and think for yourselves. That is all.

[JRLauer]

Maybe at six you should start with a BB Gun, a 357 has quite a kick!

We'll start out small don't worry.

[JRLauer]

My reading of Tery's message was that she was saying no one but the military should have assault rifles, not that there should be a ban on citizens owning guns.

That's understandable. I don't think anyone outside the military should have assault rifles either, but the fact is, is that they do.

Putting a ban on civilians to buy assault rifles will only lead to one thing, pushing the balance of power in favor of the criminals. Do you really think a criminal is going to obey the no assault rifle policy? The answer is no, he won't. Why? Because he's a criminal. A ban on assault rifles will only serve to strengthen the black market on weapons. If you really put the effort into it, and you have the money, you can buy anything, legal or not.

So there is no need to disarm the general public and arm the criminals at the same time by violating the 2nd amendment of the Constitution.

[Tery]

No, that's fallacious logic, JR. The way to keep assault weapons away from criminals is to regulate who can sell them. They can't be sold to anyone but current military personnel. If one follows your line of thinking, well by god, let's not even bother to regulate anti-ballistic missiles, tanks, and other heavy artillery. Gosh, how can we possibly keep them away from the criminals? So, heck... let anyone have them!

Regulating the types of weapons that can be legally purchased by non-military types is NOT violating the 2nd Amendment. It does not say ANYWHERE in that paragraph that the right of the people to own bazookas shall not be infringed. What nonsense!

BTW, I own a gun myself. And I fully support regulation and limits.

[CorbinKale]

Regulating the types of weapons that can be legally purchased by non-military types is NOT violating the 2nd Amendment. It does not say ANYWHERE in that paragraph that the right of the people to own bazookas shall not be infringed. What nonsense!

I doesn't mention pointed sticks, either, but both bazookas and sharp sticks fall under the category of arms. Since the Founders included the 2nd Amendment as a security measure against the government disarming the public to the point it was defenseless against tyranny from the government, it is logical to conclude that any arms that might be brought to bear against the populace, are protected. Might the government send tanks against the citizens? Then tanks are protected under the 2nd Amendment. I am sure we can agree that nuclear weapons are not protected... unless the government might turn them on its own citizens.

"Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American...[T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people."
--Tenche Coxe, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.

http://economics.gmu.edu/wew/quotes/arms.html

[JRLauer]

No, that's fallacious logic, JR. The way to keep assault weapons away from criminals is to regulate who can sell them. They can't be sold to anyone but current military personnel. If one follows your line of thinking, well by god, let's not even bother to regulate anti-ballistic missiles, tanks, and other heavy artillery. Gosh, how can we possibly keep them away from the criminals? So, heck... let anyone have them!

Regulating the types of weapons that can be legally purchased by non-military types is NOT violating the 2nd Amendment. It does not say ANYWHERE in that paragraph that the right of the people to own bazookas shall not be infringed. What nonsense!

BTW, I own a gun myself. And I fully support regulation and limits.

I don't think so. I know the 2nd amemdment doesn't say that people have the right to own bazookas (considering the fact they wern't invented at that time) but the point is, is that you can still get one if you wanted to, ban or no ban. Do you think the terrorist bought their weapons at the corner armory? No they purchased them on the black market.

My whole point is this. No amount of govenment regulation is going to stop this. All its going to do is give criminals the edge. That's it.

[BlackThorn]

A hundered years ago, or two say, you had to have guts and brains and strength to even stay alive long enough to even get to the point of trying to foster children.

These days, you can be the most mentally disturbed and uncaring individual, and you can still dump all the children you want onto the world, and chances are they'll all make it to over 30, no matter if they were even taught to have half a brain in their head or not.

I love to hear of strong children. I got a buddy that has a lot of children, and he trains them in ancient arts of protection and defense mentally and physically from the moment they are trainable. I've seen a four or five year old doing things at a demonstration in the past, that would tear through adults that had been bar fighting their whole lives.

I honestly believe that the only way we'll make a difference on this planet, is to give and nudge our children to use every chance they have at living a full and wonderful and productive life, and with the way the world is now, that includes being strong in the face of some very dark adversity. Being gunslinger hard when it comes to morals and obligations ourselves is the only way we can even dredge a path that is worth following on this earth, as it is now.

I hope someday to be able to say that "yeah, I did have kids lived", and honestly mean it. I'm sure not gonna breed for the hell of it, and then not invest absolutely everything into their lives.