I actually know someone who got a weird name by accident, His mother filled out the forms without any help. She named her son Crisoper....pronounced Christopher.Rejected names: "Brfxxccxxmnpcccclllmmnprxvclmnckssqlbb111163 (pronounced Albin, naturally) was submitted by a child's parents in protest of the Naming law. It was rejected. The parents later submitted "A" (also pronounced Albin) as the child's name. It, too, was rejected.
ange...such a odd place you must live in if you need your neighbor or your govt to tell you what to do...or be allowed to think...or how to feel...
'cause it's the same diff....
i don't disagree with you on the idea that it is stupid...but messiah is not in any manner, way or form a bad name...and its use doesn't not automatically lead to my son 'satansrufftoy'
more importantly, the judge ruled the way he did NOT because he thought the child would be unfairly treated...but because it offended his (the judges) religious thinking; not kosher (supposedly) here in the ol' USA
no matter how you slice it...argue it...present it...it is a big, huge, gigantic leap o' logic there, ange
..still..i'm guessin' from your name...and that icon...you might be from italy ??
so...make me an offer i can't refuse...and maybe i'll change my tune
'til then...me 'n luca are goin' fishin'
I think from the Netherlands he is.
I'm fine with it because it means I have *all* name options at my disposal. P.S. It's not child abuse, any more than naming a child a foreign name (Angelo) in the U.S. is abuse. If you think it's child abuse, tell that to the bullies (all children, last I checked) on the playground. They're the ones who'll kick another kid to the curb because his name is weird, not parents.
Does this lack of name law in the U.S. mean I'm going to name a child Nutella, Heineken, Fanta, Beelzebub or Lufthansa? No. But it means that I have the right to name my child *any* name, whether it's a foreign name, a name lifted from whatever religious text I choose to read, or one that's anglicized from whatever perspective I like.
"I'm fine with it because that means I can name my child Angelo in the U.S., even though it's not a native English name, doesn't have historical meaning in American history, and doesn't translate into a male's name in English"
I can do all those things. I have called my children Giulia and Elio, although they are not native Dutch names, don't have any historical meaning in Dutch history, and they don't translate into a Dutch name (Well... For my daughter, you could argue it's the equivalent of the Dutch 'Julia', but Elio sure has no equivalent).
Even with a law in place, I can name my child what I want, WITHIN REASON. This law exists not to patronize parents, but to protect children. Sane people will never encounter a problem with their child's name, it's the weirdo's that are stopped. We have some pretty crazy names here too (Bloem (flower), Sterre (stars), but you can use those. It's the REAL crazies that get stopped by this law. The ones that DO want to go with 'Coca Cola', 'Apple iMac', 'Subject 13', 'Lucifer', 'Super Mario' or '007'. THOSE are stopped. And that's a good thing.
Quoting Lily Sawyer again:
"Does this lack of name law in the U.S. mean I'm going to name a child Nutella, Heineken, Fanta, Beelzebub or Lufthansa? No."
No. YOU won't. But there sure are lots of people that will.
In the case of Messiah, yes, you can argue, is it offensive, yes or no? I'm sure to a LOT of people, it will be. They will argue there is only one Messiah, and it's blasphemy to call a child that. Are they right? I don't think so. But that does not change their feeling, and this child will grow up amongst them. I agree with this judge. It seems I am still the only one though
I'm not going to change your minds here, and I didn't set out to. I'm just giving you my opinion. It is what it is. I'm putting this to rest now, because as I said before, I did not come here to argue about this sort of thing. Name your child whatever you like.
PS, Guido... Your name suggests you are Italian yourself. Surely you know not to shorten Angelo to Ange?
PS2, regarding your Luca (Brazi) comment Luca is a male name in Italy. Yet, somehow, here in the Netherlands, it's used for both boys AND girls. It sounds weird to me, but there is no law against that either
Sane people will never encounter a problem with their child's name, it's the weirdo's that are stopped. We have some pretty crazy names here too (Bloem (flower), Sterre (stars), but you can use those. It's the REAL crazies that get stopped by this law
....And just who gets to determine if I'm sane or not? Who's definition of crazy shall we use on any given day?
I happen to really like names that are not all that common
I'm sorry, but your statement sounds extremely judgemental to me.......
Last edited by Sundrop; September 24th, 2013 at 06:27 AM.
Like I said, there are lots of uncommon names you CAN use. Some children from my immediate 'surroundings': Bloem (flower), Sterre (Stars), NoŽl (Christmas), Djim (In stead of Jim), and then there are names like Beer (Bear), Storm (Storm), Bikkel (Not sure how to translate this one... A 'bikkel' is like, a child that's 'tough', like, he doesn't cry when he needs to get a shot at the doctor), Mensje (Literally: Small human). Uncommon does NOT equal crazy.
Who will be the judge? How about common sense? 'Society' as a collective knows exactly when a boundary is being crossed.
This is hard for me because like Angelo, I come from a country that does not allow certain names. I've kept pretty quiet about it because... er, maybe I've been a bit scared to speak up?
I like having freedom to name my kids whatever I choose. I also like the 'net', (if you like) that catches the names that would likely hurt a child--directly, or indirectly. (I don't believe it is only children that bully)
As much as (absolute) freedom of choice is important, the welfare of children is more important to me. (personally) The only people that are getting caught up in the 'net' in our country, are the dickheads. (I have no problem naming them so, because there is little doubt that the children--the ones having to bear these names--are the last thing on these people's minds.)
They don't give a shyte about what will come after, often they just want to see what they can get away with. Stupid, mean and cruel behaviour... not even an intention of nurturing these precious little souls.
Even though there is this net, while naming my children, I never felt like I had restrictions. I didn't feel disadvantaged by this law, it isn't something you hear about too often. (I think I may have read something online about a name being turned down once, it wasn't big news.)
If it was a big issue here, I think we'd be hearing it a lot more, because our speech is free... and we're no strangers to complaining. ( )
For me, we're (our countries) neither right nor wrong in how we live--just different. You live happily with the freedoms and rules that you have, we do the same... and we're all still capable of living and loving and learning.
~ There'll be Chocolate, if God wills it. ~