Hells Angels Banned In Germany

[GNTLGNT]

...meh....

[Lily Sawyer]

Let's review:

1. Thread title: Hells Angels Banned In Germany

2.

...Germany has set a precedent banning most Hells Angels charters throughout Germany...as the Black Devils MC [a (M)otorcycle (C)lub founded in 1969 in Wiesbaden, Germany] take back their territory and expand

3. GNTLGNT: "...a country that gave us Hitler's nightmare, banning Hell's Angels....the scent of irony is almost overpowering..."

4.

I do not think the country of Germany offered to give anybody the Holocaust just like I do not think the country of the USA offered to give us Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Why would you bring that up into this discussion? I do not understand the connection you are making.

5. Lily Sawyer: "[Because] A country that once was capable of what Hell's Angels are known for is now taking the lead in kicking them out of their border altogether. I don't understand *your* comparison of a country that sought global domination...with a weapon of war used against one of said country's allies who had attacked us."

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First of all, it was Japan with team support from the Soviet Union, Germany, and the U.S.A. that began WW2 on July 7th 1937 by invading China...you all are still a victim of the historical manipulation

- You've gone from Hells Angels being kicked out of Germany to spoiling for a debate about how, when, and why WWII started. I'm not going to oblige you with this *squirrel* moment, as I completed my Master's degree in West European Studies at Indiana University in 1990 - with an emphasis on pre-World War II Germany and France. Been there, done that, and don't want to bore anyone...and the other reason is that I also found your implication of our collective gullibility to be offensive.

So, to appeal to you once more in your chosen language: Das allerletzte Suppenhuhn hätte gern gelacht, aber ihm war die Sache zu blöd.
Translation for non-German readers/speakers: Even the very last chicken would have laughed if it [the topic/situation] hadn't been so ridiculous...i.e. too stupid for debate.

I wouldn't throw down the gauntlet so quickly around the rest of the Board members...there are plenty of well-informed and well-equipped people here who could argue you into the ground regarding literally any topic, and I don't necessarily mean people with graduate degrees. As GNT said in another thread, there are lots of folks here whose IQs are much higher than room temperature.

[Ayko]

- You've gone from Hells Angels being kicked out of Germany to spoiling for a debate about how, when, and why WWII started. I'm not going to oblige you with this *squirrel* moment, as I completed my Master's degree in West European Studies at Indiana University in 1990 - with an emphasis on pre-World War II Germany and France. Been there, done that, and don't want to bore anyone...and the other reason is that I also found your implication of our collective gullibility to be offensive.

So, to appeal to you once more in your chosen language: Das allerletzte Suppenhuhn hätte gern gelacht, aber ihm war die Sache zu blöd.
Translation for non-German readers/speakers: Even the very last chicken would have laughed if it [the topic/situation] hadn't been so ridiculous...i.e. too stupid for debate.

I wouldn't throw down the gauntlet so quickly around the rest of the Board members...there are plenty of well-informed and well-equipped people here who could argue you into the ground regarding literally any topic, and I don't necessarily mean people with graduate degrees. As GNT said in another thread, there are lots of folks here whose IQs are much higher than room temperature.

I was not the one here that went from the recent Hells Angels ban in Germany and tried to tie it into the atrocities of WW2 so please do not blame me. Your sensitivity to a (wrongly) perceived implication of collective gullibility by me is silly. I would not be here if I thought that. I believe you are only exaggerating to provoke an isolated stance from me against the rest of the members.

After two decades of intensive Hells Angels recruitment and expansion in southern Europe, Germany has set a precedent banning most Hells Angels charters throughout Germany. The scattered leftovers are apparently a reminder to embarrass the Hells Angels and a warning to others. The Hells Angels in southern Europe broke many of their own rules and traditions recruiting just about anybody fitting the description and having connections as well as unchecked absorbtion of smaller local clubs. The result was an infiltration of chaos among the Hells Angels themselves that has led to Biker wars without any real goal and to the German ban as the Black Devils MC (23 Chapters in Germany and Italy) take back their territory and expand.

http://www.euronews.com/2012/07/14/c...angels-u-turn/

You may have heard of the MC or Biker patch or symbol the 1%er. Official reports define this as a response to the AMA (American Motorcyclist Association) statement that 99% of motorcyclists are law abiding implying that one percent are outlaws. It is doubtful that MC clubs would include a patch or symbol to their colors meant as a joke. Also, why do so many rival clubs that supposedly hate each other use the same symbol? In addition, the AMA has never made such a statement. The 1% is an alliance of MC clubs at an elder generation level where cleaning up of infiltrates is a main goal. According to MC 1% laws, all MC clubs will submit full respect to the dominant MC of that territory. The Hells Angels (infiltrates) of southern Europe did not do that in Germany and, after a 1% meeting which included Hells Angels members of the USA. It was with their cooperation that there was no Black Devils vs Hells Angels war (which would have been very bloody) and all over the streets of Germany. So, in the name of peace, the higher levels of allies, and safety of the public, German authorities with diplomatic ties to the 1% MC world including the Hells Angels and Black Devils agreed on putting through the bans. One of the top ranks of the 1% resides in Germany and so, that is fate, and thanks to diplomatic forces from Germany, a devastating blow was handed to the infiltrates of the 1% MC world. Thanks Hells Angels USA, we could not have done it without you and do not worry about people that try and provoke hostility with decades old mistakes and lessons of the past. We are above that.

[Lily Sawyer]

I believe you are only exaggerating to provoke an isolated stance from me against the rest of the members.

You're entitled to your belief. *I* believe you've been the one to achieve that stance all by yourself.

[Ayko]

You're entitled to your belief. *I* believe you've been the one to achieve that stance all by yourself.

You just can't stick with the topic can you. If I have created a stance alone against all the other members then where are all the other members that are against me? I am discussing the Hells Angels ban in Germany that has taken place due to infiltration and the (1%) alliance (including Germany and the USA) that is working to correct the situation and prevent all out war. Some of us are doing things to prevent WW3 by uniting and working together and not dwelling on the past. *I* believe that the lack of comments from other members is not a sign of any being against me but rather because they do not want to get involved with Germany hate spamming and a breath away from calling Germans modern day Nazis. If the international 1%er alliance includes the Hells Angels then they were part of the ban against their infiltrates and I still see no connection to the atrocities of Hitler's regime.

I wish they were kept out of Canada, too.

Good point because the Canadian Hells Angels, especially in Quebec and Ontario, experienced the same problem with infiltration. I would not worry because, as I stated, the problem is being resolved with the 1%er alliance as well as political backing. btw, now you know, 1 is for A and 1%er stands for Ambassador!

[Moderator]

It's also possible the lack of comments have to do with it being a topic they do not relate to or have any interest in. The side conversations would not have kept them from posting about your original message IMO if they did have something to say about it.

[Ayko]

It's also possible the lack of comments have to do with it being a topic they do not relate to or have any interest in. The side conversations would not have kept them from posting about your original message IMO if they did have something to say about it.

If you are trying to say if you have nothing nice to say about somebody then say nothing at all, then come out and say it.

Because the vast majority of the population of the German Reich supported and embraced the rise of Nazism in 1939, ultimately ostracizing and persecuting the Reich's 1.5 million Jews.....and now modern-day Germany is banning Hell's Angels.

Don't you think that there would have been no rise of Nazism in 1939 if WW2 had not officially begun on June 7th 1937? (btw there is no apostrophe in the name Hells Angels)

First of all, it was Japan with team support from the Soviet Union, Germany, and the U.S.A. that began WW2 on July 7th 1937 by invading China. WW2 is actually an extension of the Sino-Japanese War that began in 1894 and took drastic proportional changes on the open global level in 1937. Since the attack on Pearl harbor in 1941 is the first official recognitin of WW2 I wonder why Germany is still presumed being the instigator! To end the Sino-japaese war in victory China played our allies against each other and you all are still a victim of the historical manipulation. Quote from wikipedia:

"The Second Sino-Japanese War (July 7, 1937 – September 2, 1945), called so after the First Sino-Japanese War of 1894–95, was a military conflict fought primarily between the Republic of China and the Empire of Japan from 1937 to 1941. China fought Japan with some economic help from Germany (see Sino-German cooperation), the Soviet Union (see Soviet Volunteer Group) and the United States (see American Volunteer Group). After the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941, the war merged into the greater conflict of World War II as a major front of what is broadly known as the Pacific War. The Second Sino-Japanese War was the largest Asian war in the 20th century. It also made up more than 50% of the casualties in the Pacific War if the 1937–1941 period is taken into account.

Although the two countries had fought intermittently since 1931, total war started in earnest in 1937 and ended only with the surrender of Japan in 1945."

One other (friendly meant and stated) point or question for Lily Sawyer and GNTLGNT

A country that once was capable of what Hell's Angels are known for is now taking the lead in kicking them out of their border altogether.

Are you trying to convey a parallel between Nazis and the Hells Angels and then critisizing a country for banning them and their infiltrates? That means you would prefer that the Hells Angels continue doing what the Nazis did in Germany with support. That is insane. If I am mistaken please respond...

[Moderator]

That's quite a leap, Ayko. No, I said exactly what I intended to say.You were suggesting the lack of comments was because " they do not want to get involved with Germany hate spamming and a breath away from calling Germans modern day Nazis." I suggested the thread may not be getting more posts because no one has anything to say because they are not interested in the topic, i.e. Hell's Angels in Germany. Lack of interest is usually why threads die. That may not be the case here but it's just as plausible a reason as the one you put forth.

[Sundrop]

That's quite a leap, Ayko. No, I said exactly what I intended to say.You were suggesting the lack of comments was because " they do not want to get involved with Germany hate spamming and a breath away from calling Germans modern day Nazis." I suggested the thread may not be getting more posts because no one has anything to say because they are not interested in the topic, i.e. Hell's Angels in Germany. Lack of interest is usually why threads die. That may not be the case here but it's just as plausible a reason as the one you put forth.

Can't speak for everyone else, but this is the exact reason I haven't commented in this thread......I simply couldn't care less about this topic.

[Lily Sawyer]

I do not condone what Germany did during the Nazi regime or what Hells Angels have done either in Germany or in other parts of the world.

You missed GNTLGNT's point of irony in Germany's decision to ban the group. You *seem* to be informed enough about German history during WWII, so I naively assumed you're quite capable of connecting the dots regarding his statement without further help.

However, you weren't able to follow GNT's path of logic, so you've beleaguered the topic instead with rants and history lessons regarding the origins of WWII. I've made my point about not wanting to bore others, so this is the last I'll engage you on the matter.

Have a nice day.