I wonder why now from North Korea? Does it have anything to do w/China's recent trade agreements w/others? South Korea & Japan only two of many. The movement away from the dollar as the world's reserve currency? How are things in China? Have the Chinese told us, "you have a pretty green hat." If the North does do something, I doubt it will be based solely on their desire to acquire more land to bury their dead.
Are they a legitimate military threat to the United States? No. Are they a legitimate military threat to our allies? Yes. Would they be an easy fight on the ground? No. Against North Korea we would not be able to do what we did in Iraq (hence the no profit versus cost ratio). Not only would we have a nightmare on the ground against North Korea, it would only escalate and draw in people we don't want to fight. In other words, we can blow the hell out of them from the air but we can't really fight them on the ground without an obscene cost to us.Anyhow, so you think N Korea may be a legit threat? Maybe.
I was not one of them. I stated from the start there were no WMD and that Iraq was foolish. The fact that the government was mislead then doesn't mean automatically that is mislead now. That is a fallacy. They are apples and oranges.But then again, plenty of people thought Saddam Hussein was an iminent threat too, sitting on piles of WMDs that were oddly never found, and 10 years later, still haven't.
You are not a student of history. You are a student of emotion. You have very strong views which color and temper everything you see, causing it to focus through a narrow lens. You assume that every war is a criminal enterprise run by evil people seeking profit. That is as (if you will forgive me) foolish as some people assuming every war entered into by the United States is a just cause. The truth is never black and white.Some thought there was a risk of evil communism spreading all the way from some jungle sh**hole called Vietnam all the way to America, so we do what? Engage in a 13 year conflict with them... 60,000 or so American boys dead.. and for what? Do you know how much bank the war hawks made during that conflict? So I apologize if I am leary of the drums of war..... I am a student of history. I like to believe if we learn from it, we may not be forced to repeat it.
Last edited by Robert Gray; April 4th, 2013 at 11:22 AM.
@RG, no emotion on here... my belief that war is for profit has some pretty decent info to back it up.
The Iraq War:
According to MSN Money, Halliburton’s KBR, Inc. division bilked government agencies to the tune of $17.2 billion in Iraq war-related revenue from 2003-2006 alone. This is estimated to comprise a whopping one-fifth of KBR’s total revenue for the 2006 fiscal year.
The Washington Group International has parlayed its expertise the repair, restore, and maintenance of high-output oil fields into $931 million in Iraq-related revenue from 2003-2006. The publicly traded 25,000 employee company’s other specialties include the building and maintenance of schools, military bases, and municipal utilities, such as watering systems.
These are just a couple recent examples.... and if you wanna adjust for inflation, do some research on Vietnam War profits as well. Both NAM and Iraq were long-term ground wars.
Also, RG, using words like "cabal" sort of sounds like you are painting me as a looney conspiracy theorist. The truth is there is no "cabal". Just a system where money talks... BS walks..... Sort of like the way its been since the dawn of civilization. It's just now... the system is more advanced, and tecnology and weaponry has come along further. I mean, I am sure there were people back in the day making profits on selling sling shots and shield back in BC times.
History, which you profess to be a student of, does not support your supposition. Modern history demonstrates that the United States as no interest whatsoever in getting entangled with North Korea. We have paid them off, so to speak, no less than six times in the last thirty years. There a cycle in which North Korea starts to rattle the saber, most often at times when the United States is otherwise engaged or facing financial issues of its own, a tense bit of international debate and threat, followed by us paying them off. They are the boy who cried wolf. Each time they have employed this trick it has become less successful. In short, if we wanted to go to war with North Korea we have had ample opportunity under multiple Administrations (both Democrat and Republican). Why hasn't it happened? If the United States is just spoiling to feed the military industrial complex, why does it keep paying to avoid this conflict?
well...this all really started once they started showing pictures of da un's hottie wife...sounds more like a shakespearian conspiracy than a 21st century military-industrial complex one to me
cute chick...dennis rodman...little man making big noises to shows whos in charge...
while halliburton/iraq does give louie some wiggle room for discussion...those are weak legs to stand on for this one (not to mention they are tired, old-style conspiracy rants that needn't be pulled out for every occasion: RG is right...not every answer is so B&W)
in the previous instance, the whole shebang was orchestrated by bush&co., but they also had paul wolfwhatisname pushing his grander agenda of remaking the entire socio-economic-political landscape of the region...and bushie was just as much about all that as the MIC and the instant cha-ching...the fact that alot of his cronies (including our trigger-fingered VP) would make bank off it was just gravy for them, right ??
it's the wife...i'm tellin' ya
So...is this new twist of seeing images from North Korea a smart move on the part of whomever? Sympathy for the devil? Cue the Stones? Someone somewhere here posted a link to some images...and apparently Dennis' trip was set-up w/the idea of imagery from the North? As orchestrated as that society is, I wonder how staged the images are/are not? Empty streets...a hollow feeling...but then too, there's those images from the schools.