Sometimes 10 rounds isn't enough.

[Sepia and Dust]

Thanks for the info so I dont have to search for it.

Happy to waste your time.

[GNTLGNT]

Happy to waste your time.

...it's easy when they make themselves a "target" eh?....

[Patricia A]

Charlotte Bacon 6 years old wanted to be a veterinarian when she grew up. She loved animals, the color pink and a good argument.



Charlotte would have probably thought that 10 rounds were plenty. Some of her friends and classmates were shot 11 times, none of them were shot less than 3 times.

Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.
http://www.bradycampaign.org/legisla...hecks/bradylaw

[Lily Sawyer]

Proposed felony crimes...and these exclude the obvious individuals, like law enforcement types:

-carrying a firearm into a public establishment where alcohol is served
-brandishing a firearm in public establishments or on public property (and properly registered weapons are not excused)
-holding gun owner responsible for accidental child deaths by firearm, even if it is a child who fires the weapon (to be called felony negligence)
-failure to provide mandatory gun operation and safety class completion certificate while continuing to own a firearm

You've got to start somewhere. They're Draconian to some and perfectly reasonable to others.

[Sepia and Dust]

Proposed felony crimes...and these exclude the obvious individuals, like law enforcement types:

-carrying a firearm into a public establishment where alcohol is served
-brandishing a firearm in public establishments or on public property (and properly registered weapons are not excused)
-holding gun owner responsible for accidental child deaths by firearm, even if it is a child who fires the weapon (to be called felony negligence)
-failure to provide mandatory gun operation and safety class completion certificate while continuing to own a firearm

You've got to start somewhere. They're Draconian to some and perfectly reasonable to others.

Start what somewhere?

A couple of them are Draconian no matter how you look at it.

The first one, I can see. Not sure what you mean by "brandishing" in the second. The third has some merits, depending on the situation. The fourth is simply ridiculous.

What I don't see is how any of your proposed felonies would have prevented or even mitigated Sandy Hook, Columbine, or Virginia Tech.

[Patricia A]

If anything we do can stop one shooting spree it is worth every bit of inconvenience it may/will cause gun owners.
I had a handgun up until mid December, I took it apart and threw it away bit by bit. I have now no guns nor any gun parts. That's just me and my little red wagon, as they say.
In America we have the right to bear arms and our children have the right to life, liberty, and to the pursuit of happiness.
We have to and will balance these rights.




Ana Marquez-Greene, 6 years old singing "Come, Thou Almighty King" with her brother Isaiah




Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence
http://www.bradycampaign.org/legisla...hecks/bradylaw

[hossenpepper]

Not sure what you mean by "brandishing" in the second.

I took it to mean holding the gun in hand, waving it around, etc.

I don't think felony level punishment should be given for the not completing a class thing, but maybe revocation of your CCL, etc., until it's done. That would be existing holders of CCL and then after a certain period, say every few years. Make it a classroom thing the first time you go and then maybe an online refresher after that. New CCL seekers should have to take the class before their license is issued. Maybe there is something like that now in some places, not sure. I don't have or need a CCL. Certainly though, to get one this is reasonable.

Also maybe having to obtain a license to buy and sell guns as an individual is not a bad idea. That way the background check is done (and could be more thorough) before you can even buy one in the first place. That certainly won't stop everyone and not sure it would have stopped any of these crimes at debate, but sometimes starting down a road is what springs forth better ideas.

[Sepia and Dust]

I think that we have enough laws already. We could probably use a few more regulations, but we have plenty of laws. One I'm especially fond of is Don't ****ing shoot people. Those who break that one tend not to be all that worried about becoming felons.

[Lily Sawyer]

Start what somewhere?

A couple of them are Draconian no matter how you look at it.

The first one, I can see. Not sure what you mean by "brandishing" in the second. The third has some merits, depending on the situation. The fourth is simply ridiculous.

What I don't see is how any of your proposed felonies would have prevented or even mitigated Sandy Hook, Columbine, or Virginia Tech.

-Starting a negotiation for stricter gun regulations somewhere. (I'm being charitable here because I'm for repealing the Second Amendment. No guns for private citizens. But that's a whole other thread and I won't lobby for it.)

Yes, they're Draconian but you have to start somewhere and recognize the wiggle room inherent in the negotiation. Hossie pointed that out very well. The law you quoted ("don't **cking shoot people") is already in place and is as ineffective as Trayvon Martin's choice of safe routes home the night he was killed by an asshat with a gun. None of my proposed felonies will mitigate mass shootings - no felony law ever will - but they'll sure make it harder for asshats to obtain and maintain guns.

[Sepia and Dust]

None of my proposed felonies will mitigate mass shootings - no felony law ever will - but they'll sure make it harder for asshats to obtain and maintain guns.

You're also making it harder for people who need guns to obtain and maintain. Which is also why the US will never repeal the Second Amendment.

Who needs guns, as in "who needs to use them in their day-to-day lives?" People who live in any area that's darker than orange: