Sometimes 10 rounds isn't enough.

[Lily Sawyer]

A felon? Really?

Yep. Make the laws that tough regarding registration, licensing, and safety training. It's not a revocation of the Second Amendment. If people can go to jail for vehicular manslaughter (read: being irresponsible with a car; considered a felony), then people ought to go to jail for being irresponsible about firerarms - and the crime should be considered a felony.

[PatInTheHat]

But they have the money to buy firearms and the bullets. Priorities, priorities.

An unskilled marksman with a gun in hand is an irresponsible idiot, no matter how well-intentioned they are. This is why I'm in favor of mandatory gun marksmanship and safety training classes. No certificate of completion; no license for said gun. No license and you're considered a felon. Jail. Fines. Revocation of all other gun licenses for mandatory two years or more. End of discussion.

Hey now wait just one cotton pickin' little minute there Lilybean, that's sounds an awful lot like regulatin', and regulatin' pretty daggum darn well dagummit, so I'm here to tell ya that we red white and blue suede shoes will be havin' have none of that kinda silly nonsen..what's that?..it says what??..you sure???..um, never mind, butt only because I obviously don't have one available that's currently functioning at anything close to the level one might expect to have if one was actually interested in doin' any real thinkin' *SNRT!*..I kill myself sometimes!

[Sepia and Dust]

Yep. Make the laws that tough regarding registration, licensing, and safety training. It's not a revocation of the Second Amendment. If people can go to jail for vehicular manslaughter (read: being irresponsible with a car; considered a felony), then people ought to go to jail for being irresponsible about firerarms - and the crime should be considered a felony.

The difference is in the damage caused. Vehicular manslaughter actually involves killing someone. Owning a gun you haven't taken a test for causes harm to no one. You don't get a felony rap for having an uninspected car or for driving without a license.

Draconian laws never serve the common good, and they rarely solve a problem without creating many new ones.

[hossenpepper]

As some of you know, I grew up first on a rural Native American reservation and then a farm about 10 miles from the closest town, in Oklahoma. Guns area part of life there. When we lived on our farm, if someone was driving down our road and we didn't expect someone, my mother would brandish her 12 gauge and pop off a warning shot into the sky. Funny, but true. Not one single person ever continued on to our house. They stopped, turned around, and left. 100%.

My point is that the THREAT of a gun is almost always going to be enough for most intruders. This is also why, as atomicinchworm pointed out, a large dog is probably a better deterrent, short of popping off a warning shot. But think about this: intruders in the U.S. know we are an armed populace, yet they still break into homes, etc. Why is this? Could it perhaps be that most are simply burgling for profit, not looking to cause physical harm? I am sure I could find some links to stats that specify the numbers breakout, but I seem to remember that the vast majority of these types of intruders are not rapists, free-wheeling, drug-crazed maniacs or serial killers (but when did a gun stop Jason or Freddie Kruger?). So then we are talking about a tiny percentage of cases where it is going to result in the homeowner actually shooting the intruder. I would also bet that a sizable chunk of that tiny group of shot intruders are also ones that, as S&D pointed out, the guy got shot breaking in and just wanted the hell out of there.

So in my personal experience, high capacity mags aren't needed for home defense. Neither do I see any proof from others' stories justifying these mags.

As far as hunting goes, I have never, ever, in hundreds of times of going, seen someone use or need one these weapon types at issue, to hunt.

[jay1799]

I think I'd rather that someone just get murdered in a home invasion than have them spraying bullets all through the neighborhood. One dead is better than... well, how many bullets are in that thing, anyway?

Wow. Playing God much?

This is not an either or discussion, like some trolley problem.

The flippant way which you decide that someone ought to be murdered instead of being able to defend themselves is truly shocking.

[jay1799]

Yep. Make the laws that tough regarding registration, licensing, and safety training. It's not a revocation of the Second Amendment. If people can go to jail for vehicular manslaughter (read: being irresponsible with a car; considered a felony), then people ought to go to jail for being irresponsible about firerarms - and the crime should be considered a felony.

You are not considered a felon if you drive your vehicle without a registration or even a license!!

At most, as long as you dont kill someone....you will have to pay a fine.

Wow!

[Sepia and Dust]

Wow. Playing God much?

This is not an either or discussion, like some trolley problem.

The flippant way which you decide that someone ought to be murdered instead of being able to defend themselves is truly shocking.

As I mentioned before, you're not worth talking to. Less so, now that you've reduced yourself to abject trollery by completely mis-stating both the text and the intent of my comment.

[PatInTheHat]

Wow. Playing God much?

This is not an either or discussion, like some trolley problem.

The flippant way which you decide that someone ought to be murdered instead of being able to defend themselves is truly shocking.

Really?
Says the one what doesn't flippin' mind blood drippin' off his center mass market, but then what exactly does a lug wrench know?

[Sepia and Dust]

The flippant way which you decide that someone ought to be murdered instead of being able to defend themselves is truly shocking.

Further, some of the opinions expressed by you and by the OP of this thread reinforce my belief that there is simply no way in hell that firearms (other than revolvers and vermin-hunting rifles like .22s) should have the capacity to be loaded with more than 6 rounds. The "maximizing firepower" comments and equating home defense with firing up to thirty shots in a residential area were dead giveaways that you cannot be trusted with firearms.


I will be writing to these people today, to express just such a conviction:

The Honorable Roy Blunt
United States Senate
260 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20510-2503
DC Phone: 202-224-5721
DC Fax: 202-224-8149

The Honorable Claire McCaskill
United States Senate
506 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20510-2504
DC Phone: 202-224-6154
DC Fax: 202-228-6326

The Honorable Sam Graves
United States House of Representatives
1415 Longworth House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515-2506
DC Phone: 202-225-7041
DC Fax: 202-225-8221

[jay1799]

I will be writing to these people today, to express just such a conviction:

The Honorable Roy Blunt


The Honorable Claire McCaskill


The Honorable Sam Graves

Go right ahead and write your congressmen. You dont think I havent already done that with mine....several times? My local state rep I have talked to in person. Heck, I have written and\or called representatives that are not even mine. I guess I will add yours to my list. Thanks for the info so I dont have to search for it.