Changing The Past

**Ben E Gas** · February 1st, 2013

I think that, in this book, when he went back in time and changed something, it created another string. So if you killed your own grandpa . . . or father, it would create another string of events. You would still exist, just no one would know who you are when you went back to the future. My head is starting to hurt.

**tjscotty** · February 12th, 2013

At the end of the book Stephen King talks about how he and his wife disagree on whether or not conspiracy theories are relavant to JFK. The main turning point of many arguments is the coincidence of Ruby being able to kill LHO so conveniently two days after JFK has been killed. I would submit that someone could have given Ruby a police scanner which would have made it easy for him to arrive at the right time or just given him a hand signal. No one stopped him as he walked down the ramp and right up to LHO and shot him. But if anyone needs convicing just read Marilyn Monroe's "diary" who she called RED. There are three things that to me are very suspicious in regards to JFK being killed. First the secret service agents were ordered off the rear bumper of JFK's Lincoln, second the dealy plaza was noticeably less crowded than the rest of the parade route, third six detectives were posted in front of the school book depository waiting for LHO who disappointed them by ducking out the side door. IF LHO was really an assasin why not bring wth him his revolver? Why not have an escape route planned instead of coming back in to the city and going to a movie. The shoe salesman who spotted him was linked to CIA of course as was the lady who got him the job at the school book depository. Many years later when Sam Giancono was scheduled to testify before the Church committee he was killed just days before. And of course his killer also died. Too many coincidences for my taste. But to Stephen many kudos for invigorating my memories of this time and place. I thank you for a rewarding and interesting book.

**chestertherocker** · March 30th, 2013

mother/father PARADOX I AM CONVINCED THERE are a few paradoxs for travelling into the future too. ... twin paradox. time travel either back/forward ius impossible take for instance acup of coffee you have in your hand and you drop it, if time wnet backwards this woulf remake itself but it doesn't Enjoy the book its really great.

**chestertherocker** · March 30th, 2013

parallel worlds hmm interesting it would stop the paradoxes like grand father. But I think it is the way time flows in a circle or a straight line.

**Robert Gray** · April 1st, 2013

If you want a metaphor which is visual in nature, think of the time stream as a gout of water coming out of your hose. To the casual eye, it looks like one big jet of smooth water. If you look closer and/or magnify the view, you would see thousands (if not millions) of little bubbles of water that create a near invisible mist just outside the main flow. Some of these drops of water drop back into the flow while other hang in the air and eventually pop.

Think of time as a stream wherein a certain amount of back flow creates little bubbles which rise from the main stream. These little realities of time continue until their epicenter, the person who has moved through time dies/ceases to exist, or until they rejoin the main stream. This means that IF you go back in time and kill your grandfather, you do not cease to exist. You have created a temporal bubble of which you are the center. You are in a pocket reality of sorts which, since it cannot rejoin the main time stream, will float on the winds of eternity until you pass naturally. Then your pocket reality will cease to exist. You will not have changed the main time stream, but you will have (at least for the duration of your existence) altered your own. If you travel in time and do not disrupt time in a meaningful manner, your bubble might simply merge back with the main stream as some bubbles of water do with the main water jet.

Time is an artificial concept created by our "perception" of reality. We perceive time because, in general, we are finite beings and will cease to exist at some point. This makes time painfully relative. There is that odd saying, "the universe began when I opened my eyes, and it will all end when I finally close them again." Please bear in mind that I am NOT attempting to describe how time travel works in Mr. King's book, but rather stating a variation of theory based on a graphic image which makes it easier to conceptualize by human beings.

**RichardX** · April 3rd, 2013

Originally Posted by tjscotty

At the end of the book Stephen King talks about how he and his wife disagree on whether or not conspiracy theories are relavant to JFK. The main turning point of many arguments is the coincidence of Ruby being able to kill LHO so conveniently two days after JFK has been killed. I would submit that someone could have given Ruby a police scanner which would have made it easy for him to arrive at the right time or just given him a hand signal. No one stopped him as he walked down the ramp and right up to LHO and shot him. But if anyone needs convicing just read Marilyn Monroe's "diary" who she called RED. There are three things that to me are very suspicious in regards to JFK being killed. First the secret service agents were ordered off the rear bumper of JFK's Lincoln, second the dealy plaza was noticeably less crowded than the rest of the parade route, third six detectives were posted in front of the school book depository waiting for LHO who disappointed them by ducking out the side door. IF LHO was really an assasin why not bring wth him his revolver? Why not have an escape route planned instead of coming back in to the city and going to a movie. The shoe salesman who spotted him was linked to CIA of course as was the lady who got him the job at the school book depository. Many years later when Sam Giancono was scheduled to testify before the Church committee he was killed just days before. And of course his killer also died. Too many coincidences for my taste. But to Stephen many kudos for invigorating my memories of this time and place. I thank you for a rewarding and interesting book.

Ruby took his dog with him that morning. According to those who knew him, that dog was his closest companion. If he had planned to kill Oswald on national TV and be arrested, there is absolutely no way he takes his dog and leaves it in the car. He also arrives at the shooting location within one minute of Oswald's transfer. If this was a prearranged plan, there is no way they cut it so close. Why would they? Ruby had been hanging around the police station all weekend. No one would have cared if he stood around in the basement that morning with the press. Instead he is standing in line at the Western Union sending a money order when the transfer is in progress. He was not in any hurry. If one more person were in front of him, we would never had heard his name. JFK had ordered the Secret Service off the car in Florida. He obviously wasn't in on any plan to kill him. Nevertheless, Clint Hill made his way to the back of the car several times during the Dallas motorcade. There were Secret Service agents in the car with JFK. There was no good plan for escape after shooting the President. Oswald couldn't even drive a car! He left most of his money with his wife that morning because he expected to be killed or arrested at the scene. And he almost was. He was confronted by a police officer on the second floor but the building supervisor indicated he worked there. That allowed him to get out of the building. A random shoesalesman in Dallas was linked to the CIA? It's lucky the conspirators got Oswald to pass by him. LOL.

**jchanic** · 4 Weeks Ago

I'm in the middle of a reread of Ken Grimwood's Replay.

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**SharonC** · 4 Weeks Ago

Originally Posted by Puro

Generally, I like to think that if I traveled back in time and somehow caused the death of my father way back in the 70s, before I was conceived, I would still be able to just as easily travel back to the present day. It's just that that present day would be a January 2013 in which my mother had quite possibly never met my father, and I had never been born. It'd also be a January 2013 in which I had been completely and utterly absent since I left the 70s, and so no one anywhere would know me from Adam's house cat... even the folks I'd been friends with for years.

That's my take on it anyway.

I love to think about things like time travel, the multi-verse, and whatnot.

I have to admit though that if I found a doorway to 1958, I'd at the very least be tempted to just.... hang out. Say to myself, "Hey, I can get the 80s back!! Maybe even the 90s! All I have to do is not croak!"

I wonder what would happen if I went through the doorway to 1958, and then stayed there to 2013 and THEN went back through. Would I be back in the "present" 2011 or 2012? Having been gone for just a couple of minutes?

DEAR GOD IN HEAVEN! NOT THE 80'S!