Re: Gun control discussions in the wake of the Newtown, CT deaths
Originally Posted by Todash
Many affluent countries have access to the same entertainment we do. They have also experienced the deterioration of the traditional family structure. Yet, their homicide rates (though not their overall violence rates, meaning there are plenty of assaults that don't end up in death, which is my personal preference; if I have to be assaulted, I'd rather not die, thanks) are
lower than ours. What is the difference? Less gun ownership, and more restrictions on what kind of guns can be owned. Those are the cold, hard facts. Statistics.
Yes, the UN's "select few" nations to manufacture a list where the US is shown to have the most gun homicides per capita in that list. I've seen it, and was not very moved.
Polls, impassioned (uninformed) rhetoric, and subjectively defined "facts". Works great on the scarecrows. Sorry but NBC Nightly News spewing about their "Poll" about how "Most Americans Think blah blah blah" is BS. Obama going off about how there is some massive (undefined) consensus growing around his (loosely defined) goals for fixing our (unstated) problems, is BS. I've yet to read King's essay, but it would be nice to see at least one well thought convincing argument for that side of the fence.
Efforts to weed out psychos from getting their hands on a rapid firing 50 round cap semi-auto high caliber rifle, great. Lets do it. Outlaw all guns just to lower the probability some psycho is going to get such a weapon... That's crazy talk.
Lowering the probability some idiot is going to assault an elementary school *with a gun* at the expense of eliminating the ability of every American (except military and law enforcement) to protect themselves is not a worthy trade in my perspective.
On one had you eliminate the ability of law abiding citizens of utilizing the best self defence. On the other hand, you only reduce the probability of a bad guy using 1 method of mass despair. It's not a fair trade.
Eliminate guns, there are still plenty of ways for a determined psychopath to kill you and many others... perhaps less noisy. We're not solving *the problem* by outlawing private ownership of guns. We're solving one method at the expensive of eliminating privileges enjoyed by millions of law abiding citizens.. which by the way is a hypothetical argument.. According to Obama and Biden, that's not what they are trying to do.. but then again they said they were going to make healthcare affordable and fix the economy too so who knows..
I'm more comfortable with many good armed people, at the risk of some armed bad guys, than all law abiding citizens being unarmed and a few armed bad people along with all of the unarmed bad people.
I'm not a republican or conservative, but delighted to amuse you, hossenpepper