Gun control discussions in the wake of the Newtown, CT deaths

[exzel]

Here is the best piece I’ve read so far on the gun control debate.

http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/20...n-gun-control/

[not_nadine]

Yes, I have been told that I am not very good at the burn.


Well, nobody can be good at everything.

Yeah, but you did get to be Blunt for a little bit. That must have been a little weird.

[Shasta]

Here is the best piece I’ve read so far on the gun control debate.

http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/20...n-gun-control/

This guys logic is so flawed that I had to stop here:

"4.China. GUN FREE COUNTRY. A guy with a KNIFE stabs 22 children."

And how many of those kids died? NONE.

[kingricefan]

Todash writes:

But if I read what someone writes about gun ownership, and it's all venom and inarticulate anger (and not the least concerned with facts, by the way; they "just know" it's the violent media that is primarily responsible), in my mind the person has a red face, veins popping out, spittle flying everywhere, and is on a ranting tear that makes very little sense at all--the thought of someone like that having access to guns is very scary. I tell myself that only a small percentage of gun owners are like that. I hope I am right

Maybe we should be thankful that 'he' came here and vented some of that anger and that by doing so 'he' didn't go ballistic and take to arms and kill someone? That guy's post sure was alittle hair-raising! I think some of his spittle landed on me somewhere....... Marsha- you have my complete condolences here!!! I ain't envying your job right about now. Just know that we all love and appreciate you!! (Oh, and once again I noticed that 'he' didn't once place the blame on the individual, it always another cause- video games, movies, books, parents, whatever!!) Yikes!!

[Todash]

Here is the best piece I've read so far on the gun control debate.

http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2012/12/20/an-opinion-on-gun-control/

Hmm, some decent logic. And on some things (gun free zones, for example, and magazines, which I freely admit I didn't realize were easy to make yourself, assuming that is accurate) he makes some really valid points. But he's arguing with imaginary people, which is pretty easy, because he gets to avoid the tricky stuff and ignore statistics he doesn't like. The 22 people stabbed in China? As Shasta pointed out, none died. That's pretty important. That gun legislation pushed through in Australia? Made an impact. A positive one.

I did find his post about training really interesting, and he makes a good point: learning how to shoot makes you a trained monkey, basically. He then went on to describe how *he* trains people to decide when to shoot, how shootings go down, what to do after, what their rights are, etc. But then inexplicably he says he's not for any mandatory training. I'm thinking, "Mr. Former Gun Shop Owner/Trainer, I think *your* training sounds like something everyone who wants to fire a gun should have." I mean yes. YES. Please. Let's have people who want to use guns for self-protection or whatever get some REAL information on how that goes down. Who they're allowed to shoot and when. What to do after the person is shot.

I didn't read the whole thing, though. 'Cause man, that was a book. We're talking The Stand. But thanks for the link. I can read it later.

[guido tkp]

y'mean, KPF...you think that he just reiterated the exact, current NRA leadership line ??



heavens forbid...the dude was speaking straight from the heart...

forshame that we should any of us think that this..... ....patriot... would ever stoop to nonsense as not thinking for himself...

[Lily Sawyer]

Start by effecting controls over the production, publication, and marketing of violent and bizarre media which influences younger people as well as those with emotional instability to carry out the tragic deeds we have seen. In fact, maybe background checks through the FBI NICS system are in order for anyone buying such media. In addition, limit the amount the of videos, games, movies, etc. to those purchasers to a monthly maximum. I also believe that internet sales and distribution of these items should be outlawed. Finally, anyone committing crimes of violence with firearms, knives, machetes, chainsaws, or any other handy "assault weapon" found in the trunk of a car, toolbox, kitchen, or baseball field (bats) and who committed those crimes under the influence of violent media should receive greater penalties. The producers and authors of said media should also be held liable for their products' destructive influence. Does all this sound familiar to you gun control advocates? Maybe old Stevie King with his sick novels needs to be "controlled." I didn't even need a 25 page whining missive to relate all this to you, unlike Stevie. Stevie, I am veteran and I could fead both before, during, and after the time I spent in the military in places where jerks like you could never have gotten away with making a living out the trash you write and publish. So lay back on your $$$ and have a nice life you little ****bag.

DFTT

[Todash]

Here is the best piece I've read so far on the gun control debate.

http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2012/12/20/an-opinion-on-gun-control/

I should add, by the way, that although I see some (refreshing, if not airtight) reason and logic in there, his clear implication that only gun control advocates are not sensible and logical is completely laughable. I mean, come on. COME ON. I'm not saying that all gun advocates are unreasonable--I don't think they are--nor am I suggesting that all gun control advocates are reasonable--I have been known to say something to a kumbaya liberal friend or two who is being a little "out there"--but to anyone pretending, as he is, that gun proponents are more reasonable in general, I have to quote Westley in The Princess Bride: "We are men of action. Lies do not become us."

[atomicinchworm]

My biggest issue with the if we ban guns only criminals will have guns argument is thus:

A vast majority of murders and almost all mass shootings are committed with legally acquired weapons. Criminals typically kill other criminals (62% of the time, actually).

I appreciate that guy's experience and knowledge when handling and shooting guns. In fact, he is the kind of guy I want to have weapons. He seems pretty even keeled, and obviously is passionate about the craft of shooting well. Ultimately, my biggest issue is this idea within both sides of the issue is the "well, S/HE won't even consider meeting me halfway!" thing that the hard left and the hard right BOTH do. Neither of them, in actuality are willing to bend or meet in the middle.

What is the middle between no guns at all and all guns all the time? Limited round clips, background checks/ mandatory registration, and an assault rifle ban. Seriously, are those things really that unreasonable?

(Also, Shasta, I noticed that he mentioned deaths in all of the examples he gave except the last one, because obviously no one died. I HATE that kind of bending of the facts to try to build your argument. If it doesn't fit your point, find something that does, and don't hide behind twisted 'evidence'.)

[kingricefan]

DFTT

I know what that stands for: Dumb Fool Talking There!!!!