Gunslingers club

[TheInterloper]

With the latest controversy about guns I was wondering what your guys feelings were about guns. I personally believe semi automatics and fully automatics should be outlawed but every now and then I like to deal in lead.
Tell me I you do shoot guns what are they and if you don't tell your opinion.


i deal in lead how about you

[staropeace]

I deal in hockey pucks....they are deadly when frozen. Sorta like Riza plates.

[Lily Sawyer]

Go find the gun threads in Hot Topics. You'll find everything and then some that you're looking for.

[GNTLGNT]

I personally believe semi automatics and fully automatics should be outlawed

....I have no problems with wheel guns, have owned many and own a Colt Trooper Mark Three .357mag now, but it seems a bit Draconian to wipe out the entirety of semi-automatic weapons, both hand-guns and rifles...nobody takes my 1911.....nobody.....limit clip size, and keep automatics for the troops and law enforcement...but there are too many fine semi-auto loaders out there to wipe them off the map...

[Patricia A]

I will never carry a gun, or even have one that belongs to me in my house again. I took my gun apart. I took it apart and threw it away bit by bit. If I want to hurt someone, I'm not going to do it with lead. You are entitled to keep guns, I just don't want one anymore.
I don't want to live in a world that I have to carry a gun in. If thinking that way will be the end of me, then let me be done.

[Neesy]

I will never carry a gun, or even have one that belongs to me in my house again. I took my gun apart. I took it apart and threw it away bit by bit. If I want to hurt someone, I'm not going to do it with lead. You are entitled to keep guns, I just don't want one anymore.
I don't want to live in a world that I have to carry a gun in. If thinking that way will be the end of me, then let me be done.
I agree 100% Patricia A. It is time to think rationally about how prevalent these guns are. Of course up in Canada there is a different way of thinking. Our Canadian Constitution and Bill of Rights has nothing in there about the "right to bear arms". Okay - that is it for me... As Lily Sawyer up above says, this is better discussed in the Hot Threads topic about Guns. After saying that - here is my picture of the day: (I LOVE these guys). I am pretty sure they just use their weapons to kill game that they actually eat! mmmmm - squirrel brains - as Father Phil says happy, happy, happy!
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[PatInTheHat]

So a guy comes up to you, you have something he wants, he has a genuine bona fide 1920's Tommy gun he'll trade, complete with 20 & 50 round drums (violin case, optional), so whatta ya do:eyebrow:?
Me, I probably jump on it as fast as my horse tradin' enriched DNA will take me, but then I have already have a customer who appreciates your finer firearm Americana & antiquities, and for that fact alone I could care less than a whiff what a law says, lotta stupid laws, always have been, and always will be, is what I'm sayin'.
And ya know somethin', before the N.itwit R.ifle A.ss'ociation turned into the for profit racket for the mass marketing and flooding of the mass's market, in mass produced creator's of masses, this was never a really any kind of a problem, but now it would make me some kind of an evil "bad guy", not a sometime peddler of various proclivities, a serious collector's, 'needful things', if you will.
(pssst, got one ya wanna trade, I got Elvis's first guitar I'll swap even Steven (hmm, ephen Stephen:geek:?), no really, says so right on it:oo:...yeah well okay, but it will..Sharpie:cool2:?)

[mustangclaire]

As a Brit, I have been following your threads on here regarding guns,with interest. I find the idea of ordinary folks carrying guns as wierd as... as... well I struggle to find a comparison because it is so "off the scale" to me. I struggle to understand your deeply embedded "right to bare arms" attitude. I haven't commented on the threads as I'm sensible enough to keep away from what I don't understand, and inflaming peoples opinions, however I find the notion of "arming yourself" with a gun to protect your family absolutely extraordinary. I absolutely can not fathom it. I wonder where you guys feel it ends? If you all want to have a gun. What happens, do you wait to see who fires first? That's enough for me, as I say, I'm not from your shores.

[mustangclaire]

I'm also a little confused... Didn't the OP post a day ago, new onto the site saying he was a teenager. Are you REALLY allowed to deal in guns as a teenager??

[TheInterloper]

Mustang Claire I have to disagree, I'm a teen and were allowed to shoot in sport (hunting) and also target practice...

[TheInterloper]

Claire we won our independence as farad I'm concerned we can do what we want. Life Liberty And the Pursuit of Happiness

[guido tkp]

i own no guns at this time...i've owned only two throughout my life: a 22 rifle and a 22 pistol; both i traded off; the rifle for the pistol...the pistol for a set of tires and a car cd player with speakers that the dude installed !

i have nothing against guns...and think most of the talk of banning is off base; it is the behavior we must attend to, not the item..

true..it might offer some semblance of safety to try and ban some of the more powerful weapons...but, once done, either the NRA line will come true and only the bad guys will carry such weapons...and still use them indiscriminately

...or the idiots already misusing their 2nd amendment rights will just revert back using smaller caliber weapons: i'm not sure what we accomplish by just having the kill ratio be possibly lowered...but let us not fool ourselves in the slightest: people will still die, nonetheless

there is a greater societal problem that must be addressed in all this... but banning things never works the way we wish it would...if that were the case, there's be no drug problem...kids wouldn't smoke cigarettes...there'd be no drunk drivers and no drunk driving deaths...

all this talk about banning is just a power grab that resolves absolutely nothing except to inhibit the freedom (not the 2nd amendment version...just the everyday version) ...it might let you sleep a little better...but that is about it

now...regulation...tighter regulations...regulations that put the onus of being responsible on the individual...that i would be behind 100%

[atomicinchworm]

As a Brit, I have been following your threads on here regarding guns,with interest. I find the idea of ordinary folks carrying guns as wierd as... as... well I struggle to find a comparison because it is so "off the scale" to me. I struggle to understand your deeply embedded "right to bare arms" attitude. .

Me too.

And I am an American.

To the OP, there are several threads spanning 40 something pages on this subject. The post about the mass school shooting in this very section of the forum is one of them, as well as several in the "Guns" sub-section of the Non-Fiction forum.

[GNTLGNT]

Claire we won our independence as farad I'm concerned we can do what we want. Life Liberty And the Pursuit of Happiness

...ease off dude, she isn't disputing any of that...just expressing her thoughts as an "outsider" so to speak, and how in her country-our laws and such are hard for her to "absorb...so stop thumping your chest and let people comment as they see fit...that's part of our Democracy too...

[Moderator]

Probably too old an expression for you to be familiar with, TheInterloper, as you are apparently quite young, but it's comments like that that have earned us the pejorative term Ugly American.

[Robert Gray]

Claire we won our independence as farad I'm concerned we can do what we want. Life Liberty And the Pursuit of Happiness

This quote is not in the Constitution, as I'm sure you know. It is a statement in the Declaration of Independence. While I doubt anyone disagrees with the sentiment, it has nothing to do with whether or not you have a right to a gun. As far as you are concerned, the sky might be pink with polka dots. Your opinion is not automatically fact or fiction. The simple truth is we, as Americans, cannot do what we want. We have regulations and laws which govern us and do impede upon the happiness of some. We have all sorts of creepy people out there who claim their rights are being violated and their happiness denied because we won't allow them to have "relationships" with young boys. Do you see where your logic (or lack thereof) falls apart? Society exists because it creates rules by we coexist and it isn't a Utopia where we can do "what we want."

The right to bear arms in the United States is an important one. For better or for worst, it is part of our national identity and psychology. All that being said, the Constitution only states that you have the right to bear arms. It also stipulates how such things are to be REGULATED. It isn't open season on anything you want. You don't get to have a nuclear weapon in your garage. We don't allow just anyone to keep Anthrax in a jar in their garage. We don't allow people to carry rocket launchers, and most people agree that cop-killer bullets are not for public consumption.

Love it or leave, the good old USA can (and does) tell us what to do.

[guido tkp]

true that, ms mod and G : all these 'hot button' issues are only made worse when the people completely miss the point and acts as if someone is 'out to get 'em'...or 'their rights'

it is this sort of attitude on the part of too, too many who just can't seem to wrap their meager minds around a society built upon allowing, even encouraging a plethora of views...rather than just theirs

[PatInTheHat]

Claire we won our independence as farad I'm concerned we can do what we want. Life Liberty And the Pursuit of Happiness
So, your an anarchist then:eyebrow:?...kewl:cool2:.
No really, I'm down with it, been ready for it my whole life, why it's one of my most favorite wet dream type fantasies, I mean the taking, of course there will be the ubiquitous pillaging type stuff, and then ultimately the owning of my very own mountain top stronghold for me and all of mine to rule our roost & roosters...hey, um, which mountain is yorn did ya say, and is it pretty?...I only ask because I loooooves me a nice view, makes me happy, that, and doin' whatever it is I want, whenever it is I want, and maybe even to whomever it is I want if it makes me happy:y:...you know, if they can't stop me, right, right, huh huh, am I right?...oh yeeeeahhhh babes, whatta country:unclesam:!
Cue Mr. Rogers 'Won't You Be My Neighbor', in three, two....

[mustangclaire]

I'm sorry if I caused offence by my original comment. GNTLGNT is quite right, i'm looking at it from a complete outsiders view, 'tis all.:okay:

[Moderator]

No need for apology as far as I can see--you were giving your POV and most of us understood and had no problem with that.

[Sepia and Dust]

So how do Canadian and British people hunt? I don't know much about the Isles, but Canada is rich with wildlife just begging to be bagged and served hot off the grill. What, do y'all have to rent a gun?

[mustangclaire]

So how do Canadian and British people hunt? I don't know much about the Isles, but Canada is rich with wildlife just begging to be bagged and served hot off the grill. What, do y'all have to rent a gun?

People shoot over here....but on arranged shoots. My boss shoots, bought me in a couple of ducks the other day. But it's all frightfully organised. They are purely for game. The thought wouldn't occur to me they were for anything else. Rules are extremely strict over here, I believe you have to have a liscence. And shooting game is often regarded as an upper middle class past time. We do have gun crime over here, but i don't know one person who would consider it that bad they in turn, need a gun.

[TheInterloper]

I agree I might have spoken out of place, I'm sorry for speaking a bit out of tone..

[TheInterloper]

Mustang i can't speak for everyone but most rural people usually go out on owned land and try to kill 'game' , we have to hunt and do what not required to make the kill. Also I'm sorry I spoke out of line on the whole Declaration of Indepence quote, I didn't mean to offend.

[GNTLGNT]

So how do Canadian and British people hunt? I don't know much about the Isles, but Canada is rich with wildlife just begging to be bagged and served hot off the grill. What, do y'all have to rent a gun?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_United_Kingdom

Here ya go S&D...to me this seems so incredibly alien, as our freedoms do to Claire...

[Sepia and Dust]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_United_Kingdom

Here ya go S&D...to me this seems so incredibly alien, as our freedoms do to Claire...

Ahhhh, now I see. I was under the mistaken impression that firearms were prohibited in the UK. Instead, they're available but strongly regulated.

[mustangclaire]

GNTLGNT, you have succinctly put my thoughts there in a nutshell. Thanks;-Dxx. And Interloper, no offence taken. Always interested in healthy debate:wink:

[mustangclaire]

It's a bit like this.....
http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt3/clairepayne/tumblr_mf70tpsSSG1r0wqrdo1_500_zps94546d83.jpg

[Sepia and Dust]

It's a bit like this.....
http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt3/clairepayne/tumblr_mf70tpsSSG1r0wqrdo1_500_zps94546d83.jpg

Don't know what I want, but I know how to get it!

[Walter Oobleck]

I own guns...have nothing against them, hope never to have to use one to defend the life of my loved ones or my self. Have been wounded far more grievously by words...reckless words pierce like a sword, but the tongue of the wise brings healing...

...Jesus commanded his disciples to sell their cloak and to buy a sword...this shortly before he was arrested. A cloak was important to folk back in the day. A cloak was their sleeping bag, their comfort, their protection from the elements. Consider that the Son of God commanded his disciples to sell their cloak, to acquire a sword, the "high-powered assault-weapon" of the day. Something to consider. From the same man who asked us to turn the other cheek.

I've been shot...by myself. Never, never shoot your Ultra-Lite at that strange concrete amalgamation sitting there, all innocent, where you like to plink. The .38 slug ricocheted back and hit me in the temple. Ouch.

Anymore, I make it a practice to shoot at varmints with calculated ricochet. Intruders beware.

[Cowboy]

I started shooting when I was about 8 years old....under great supervision. I was taught safety, care, and respect. I teach my children the same thing and have taken them hunting with me for years. I also carry a handgun quite often and would not hesitate using it if some nut job pulled a gun out and terrorized people. The whole gun debate thing gets very messy because both sides make many good points. I consider myself middle of the road and reasonable on the entire topic. It is unfortunate that a middle of the road couldn't be met on this topic with our lawmakers and lobbyists.

[PatInTheHat]

I started shooting when I was about 8 years old....under great supervision. I was taught safety, care, and respect.

Yeah what Cowboy said, that stuff hardly happens anymore, not really, and it's certainly no longer a central issue in our new, & not so much improved, artificially crazed, gun culture.
Told this story on here before, eh, maybe it's worthwhile.
Waaaayyyyyy back in them ancient times, 'round about the year of somebody's lord and coincidentally our nations bicentennial celebrating our two hundred years of pistola packin' permissions, 1976, me and maybe two dozen other pimple faced pukes would once a month walk to our high school, on public sidewalks, though some I imagine caught a city bus, at the crack of dawn and then again around supper time, with shotguns over our shoulders, but only because we had a gun club, where we were taught not only care & handling of all manner of firearms safely, but endlessly drilled in all the finest points of responsibility & respect, and often by local volunteering constabulary & military types.
This was only '76 in Cincinnati Ohio, and I can still remember the big hub-bub when the N.itwit R.ifle A.ss'ociation's big convention came to town in the early 70's, when them high & mighty big mouth gun rights 'protectors' in the organization caused quite a local stir, as well as the national level.
How great, and high school gun clubs teaching curious impressionable young men (boys school, no girly girls, sorry) all that cool stuff, they all disappeared in less than ten years, at least in my area in the parochial schools, they did...wasn't for any lack of interest neither, hmmmmmm:eyebrow:???
See, then came the rancid nuts, and to this very minute they're still practically beggin' to be tools, and for not just another greedy industry, but one selling senseless death, and then using that same senseless death, mixed with a slop bucket load of pious-ed 'patriotism', fear mongering for nothing but pure profit....f'n tools cluckin', still muckin' it up for everybody:mad2:!
All that "responsibility' and 'respect', well that stupid crap just cuts into the big green bottom line, can't be havin' none of that silly nonsense confusing our desensitized to violence youth *Cha$Ching* now can we?
There's a lotta days I think its actually worse than war profiteering, I mean it's just as dark, but I believe its muchos much more insidious, and for me anyway, that's sayin' quite a bit:down:.

[hossenpepper]

I have been around guns my entire life. I have been shooting since I was 7 or 8. My grandpa gave me a nice .22 single shot rifle to practice. I can tell you, learning to dead eye with a .22 will teach you to be a good shot. I later learned to handle larger rifles and shotguns, then eventually pistols and "assault" style weapons. I had many friends that knew how to alter clips and mechanisms to be fully automatic (illegal of course) and as such was able to shoot some fully automatics. I hunted most of my childhood until I was about 25 or so. At that point I just got tired of it and had a more softened look on violence and things like that after some personal and professional experiences. Also for the record, I grew up in the original outlaw state; Oklahoma. So guns are a way of life there.

Here is what my experiences have lead me to take away from this subject:

1. Guns are part of American culture and aren't going away. So in some sense, the debate about whether or not they are "bad" is pointless as it doesn't matter if that's all they are... they are here to stay (see Pandora's Box for more color).
2. Guns are extremely dangerous, even in the right hands. Just as any machinery or tool can be, they are dangerous. The difference between them and cars, for instance, is guns are made specifically for killing and cars are for transportation. Failure to acknowledge how profoundly dangerous guns are is living in denial. NO GUN IS SAFE.
3. Most people don't understand how to handle guns and are afraid of them.
4. There are almost no situations, outside of pleasure shooting or killing, that require rapid firing guns and large magazines. When it comes to hunting, there is simply no need for this type of weaponry. Learn to shoot or don't hunt. Period. And if a certain someone is reading, that is spoken like an intelligent person that truly has REAL experience with guns.
5. There is no god given or inherent "right" to guns. They are a privilege. It's a privilege that someone figured out gunpowder, that someone figured out bullets, that someone figured out guns and how to make them. All these things are born of the collective effort of societies across human history. Only through sometimes reasonable debate have societies come to recognize the use of and need for these weapons. Only through the contract with fellow citizenry, public debate and legal recording of these agreements (laws) has the legal privilege to own and discharge (safely) guns come about in the first place. So, no, there is no inherent right to guns. It's a privilege, and a damned dangerous one to be taken quite seriously.
6. If you don't have a very good reason to have one... then don't.
7. "Because I can", "the guv'ment is coming for us", and "they're fun" aren't good reasons to have a gun. The 3rd one is a maybe and I can't judge that. The first two are dumb at best.
8. See #2 again if you have children.
9. When guns are around, things are tense and can become bad quickly. I am not just talking drug deals gone wrong in the movies here. I mean when someone gets guns out, even if it's to just show them off, people get tense. To me that says two things: they are unnatural and tense people make bad decisions sometimes. With a gun around the latter is an issue.
10. I wish guns were never invented, frankly. The harm versus the benefits is still wildly tipped towards the negative. Maybe someday this will change, but in my lifetime and what I see in history, they are bringers of death and that is about all.

Anyway this is my opinion based on what I have seen and experienced.