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Out of Order
February 12th, 2013, 08:31 AM
:eek2:

Oh Wilbur!!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/horsemeat-found-in-british-supermarkets-may-be-donkey-8489030.html

~Ally~
February 12th, 2013, 09:17 AM
It's all insane! I am definitely going back to only buying British. At first I wasn't too bothered whether I've eaten horse meat--or donkey--but if there's possible health implications due to the meat not being regulated properly then that does bother me. A lot! Most of the products so far seem to have been ready made value meals which I don't eat, and burgers, so I'm probably okay. Probably. :eek2:

Becks19
February 12th, 2013, 09:41 AM
Yuck!! It would really bother me to have eaten/horse/donkey etc and not know it. My sympathies to all of the people affected by this. ( may there be no health repercussions)

GNTLGNT
February 12th, 2013, 10:02 AM
http://collegetimes.ie/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Horse-Burger.jpg

not_nadine
February 12th, 2013, 10:04 AM
The French don't seem to mind.


http://news.yahoo.com/dont-nay-horsemeat-french-eaters-131047782.html

mustangclaire
February 12th, 2013, 10:05 AM
TBH it doesn't bother me eating horse meat. What I think irks people is being sold stuff that is "100%" Beef, when quite clearly it isn't. However, I think we only have ourselves to blame. We demand cheaper and cheaper food. We want to pay less and less for it. What do we REALLY think we're eating when consuming a cheap basic line lasagne from Tesco? It sure aint going to be quality meat now is it. Personally I hope this gets bigger and bigger, and the supermarkets in the UK get caught out, the way they treat British farmers is absolutely disgusting. As soon as we realise we can't eat meat meals for 99p, and recognise that buying quality meat from the butchers is much better/economical in the long run the better as far as I'm concerned. From a free range corn fed chicken that might cost me 9 quid, I can get a roast dinner out of it for 3, a chicken pie for 3 PLUS some sandwhiches for lunchboxes. From a 3 quid chicken from tesco so much of it is water and pumped full of god knows what it barely feeds 3 of us with a Sunday Roast. Wise up people, boycott the Supermarkets and go back to shopping locally on the highstreet with meat that can be traced from farm to plate. Sorry for the rant but it really annoys me!!!

Sepia and Dust
February 12th, 2013, 10:12 AM
Horsemeat's yum. They should bring back the slaughterhouses.

Lily Sawyer
February 12th, 2013, 10:27 AM
I become queasy at the thought of slaughtering horses for consumption. I'm not PETA - it's an organization whose means of getting their message across rival those of right-to-lifers - but I simply can't think of horses as food. Not in my repertoire.

Out of Order
February 12th, 2013, 10:39 AM
The French don't seem to mind.


http://news.yahoo.com/dont-nay-horsemeat-french-eaters-131047782.html (http://www.stephenking.com/forums/redirector.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.yahoo.com%2Fd ont-nay-horsemeat-french-eaters-131047782.html)

From the article..........
PARIS (Reuters) - In a dingy Parisian back street, diners at a one-of-a-kind bistro tuck lustily into breaded horse brain, pan fried heart of horse and broiled cheek, along with prime rump steaks the chef cuts from the bone himself.


NEIGH!!!



As Ally pointed out above the health implications over the various drugs floating around in the meat is a major concern. As mustangclaire said being lied to about what your eating would certainly tick me off as well.

Liselle
February 12th, 2013, 10:57 AM
I don't think it would bother me, I think it all comes down to about being honest about whats in your food. If you buy something that is meant to be 100% beef then that is what it should be. We should be able to pick and choose whether we want to eat horse or not. Obviously there can't be much taste difference because I have not heard of anyone saying that their ready meals/burgers tasted a bit odd. But in the end it all comes down to cost, horse is apparently cheaper than beef and as someone said before we all want cheaper and cheaper food not really caring how we get it.

Sepia and Dust
February 12th, 2013, 11:00 AM
I become queasy at the thought of slaughtering horses for consumption. I'm not PETA - it's an organization whose means of getting their message across rival those of right-to-lifers - but I simply can't think of horses as food. Not in my repertoire.

They've been in our diet for a good long time, even before we were us.

I was working for Stephens College in Columbia, MO, and they have an excellent stable. One of the equestrian students wanted to float her paper by me. It was about slaughterhouses. She was a wee young slip of a lass, and I assumed that she would be violently opposed to reinstating the American slaughterhouses because horses are so cute and I love horses and horses are just unicorns with a haircut.

But I was wrong. She was solidly in favor of the idea, and she convinced me to favor it, as well. The sheer number of abused and neglected horses is staggering... but there's no place to put them. Some are rescues, yes, but by and large there's just too many, and they are truly suffering.

Kati33
February 12th, 2013, 11:04 AM
I agree with most others. Eating horse itself doesn't bother me- I like cows just as much as I like horses and have no issues eating beef. The lack of regulation and improper labeling is an issue though. Working in the animal world, there are lots of regulations for withdrawal times in cattle and such after administering medications that generally aren't followed for horses- especially pets that aren't originally intended for human consumption.

MrsSmeej
February 12th, 2013, 11:19 AM
All those affected by the news are said to be in stable condition. :wink2:

Lily Sawyer
February 12th, 2013, 11:42 AM
The French don't seem to mind.


http://news.yahoo.com/dont-nay-horsemeat-french-eaters-131047782.html

It's because they ate horsemeat during WWII. It was that or starve, and I don't blame them. Under those circumstances, I'm not sure I'd maintain my objections to eating horsemeat. It sure beats eating your children, as is purported in North Korea.

But to continue on with the consumption of horsemeat isn't doing anyone any favors, especially if it's unregulated. I have less of an issue about horses needing to be euthanized and then becoming dog food, though, especially if the horse isn't diseased but is too weak to survive much longer.

Jojo87
February 12th, 2013, 11:53 AM
I am horse lover I could never ever eat my best friend. In our local supermarkets they sell Russian horse meat but we
never ever buy it. Here in Finland they not slaughter horses anymore. Good I hated that too. We put them to sleep when
it's time to let them go.

Out of Order
February 12th, 2013, 12:13 PM
All those affected by the news are said to be in stable condition. :wink2:

Now, let's not be putting the a la cart before the horse.....................

Lily Sawyer
February 12th, 2013, 02:11 PM
horses are just unicorns with a haircut

:eek2: They are?? How dare those farriers and horse trainers cut off a unicorn's horn!

- It makes me ill how many horses (and other animals) are abused in the U.S. If slaughtering them for human consumption will solve a problem of suffering, at least temporarily, then I'm for it. It could feed a lot of hungry people. However, I'm not sure I'll ever be able to square my feelings about the species with looking at a piece of horse steak and associating it with Good Eats. That's a stretch for me...and hopefully I'll never be in that position to have to expand my horizons as such.

LongTallSally
February 12th, 2013, 02:25 PM
I'm for better labeling. I've eaten mystery meat, game, you name it. I did the world traveler thing when I was a young person. I've had 'roo. I figure if I can eat kangaroo, horse won't kill anyone. I might worry a bit about the donkey meat... I mean... eating *ss can't be that great.

Sepia and Dust
February 12th, 2013, 02:43 PM
I'm for better labeling. I've eaten mystery meat, game, you name it. I did the world traveler thing when I was a young person. I've had 'roo. I figure if I can eat kangaroo, horse won't kill anyone. I might worry a bit about the donkey meat... I mean... eating *ss can't be that great.

Ever tried a balut?

Lily Sawyer
February 12th, 2013, 02:49 PM
Ever tried a balut?

*gag* No, and I don't wanna.

EAST COASTER
February 12th, 2013, 05:35 PM
It all comes down to perception really, the French eat horse without any qualms, if the meals and burgers had been advertised as horsemeat they wouldn't have sold in Britain although they may have been OK in France. Mind you, the French also eat snails and frogs legs.........there really is no accounting for taste.
All we need now is to find seagull in the chicken nuggets and we can all become vegetarian, but then, is that really rocket leaves in your green salad or just large chickweed?

Sepia and Dust
February 12th, 2013, 06:14 PM
the French also eat snails and frogs legs.........there really is no accounting for taste.

You really gonna talk smack about frogs legs on Fat Tuesday? ;)

king family fan
February 12th, 2013, 06:32 PM
Not thinking I could eat horse meat. Esspecially not knowingly. But if I had no idea.They say what you don't know won't hurt ya.

Lily Sawyer
February 12th, 2013, 10:08 PM
the French also eat snails and frogs legs.........there really is no accounting for taste.

You didn't get the memo about the princess who was asked by the frog to kiss him, so that he could be turned back into the prince that he'd always been, did you?

-She refused and instead had a lovely supper of frog legs sautéed in a light garlic sauce with a touch of lemon, washed down with a crisp Chardonnay.
(Don't you be talking no trash about frog legs, and don't even THINK about dissing snails. Escargots are wonderful, near and dear to my heart.)


is that really rocket leaves in your green salad or just large chickweed?

Chickweed, shmickweed. It's green. Shut up and eat it. It's better than what the kids in North Korea are faced with these days.

Tim D.
February 13th, 2013, 04:52 AM
Soylent Green. It's whats for dinner.

mjs9153
February 13th, 2013, 05:22 AM
http://youtu.be/VG4g-zwEo98 I guess horse beats the alternative..i suppose.. all about cultural perceptions I guess..

~Ally~
February 13th, 2013, 07:26 AM
I would quite happily try horse meat, and any other meat/food really, but would prefer for it to be labelled/regulated accordingly so I knew exactly what I was eating. I remember when I first tried goat meat a few years back, my friend--a chef--wouldn't tell me what it was because he thought I would find it off-putting. The fact he wouldn't tell me was what made me most apprehensive! I'm glad to report it tasted nothing like chicken. :wink2:

Sepia and Dust
February 13th, 2013, 07:46 AM
I'm glad to report it tasted nothing like chicken.

Damn right it didn't! I got sick on the stuff when I was a kid. Now, I can't even smell goat meat cooking without wanting to spew.

Lily Sawyer
February 13th, 2013, 09:38 AM
http://youtu.be/VG4g-zwEo98 I guess horse beats the alternative..i suppose.. all about cultural perceptions I guess..

Yes, it is. And because vermin historically have carried horrible things like, oh, bubonic plague and e.coli, among other things, we don't eat them in the West. Horse haven't carried communicable diseases, but for all I know West Nile virus can mutate from a horse strain to one that affects humans. You're right: I'd rather eat horse than rat.

I'm not a vegetarian or a vegan, but I don't understand why it's objectionable to substitute out legumes or tofu or tempeh for animal flesh. I do it all the time and I don't miss meat or fish or seafood when I do.

Sepia and Dust
February 13th, 2013, 10:53 AM
I'm not a vegetarian or a vegan, but I don't understand why it's objectionable to substitute out legumes or tofu or tempeh for animal flesh. I do it all the time and I don't miss meat or fish or seafood when I do.

Ever tried veggie-bacon. That's why.
;)

Lily Sawyer
February 13th, 2013, 12:33 PM
Ever tried veggie-bacon. That's why.
;)

Hey, man....I'm not sayin' all substitutes are bitchin' awesome; I'm just sayin' that lentils and Boca burgers and goat cheese and black beans and age dashi tofu are wonderful replacements for meat. I still eat meat and enjoy it when I do, but I don't think it's either healthy or necessary to do so every single day of the week.

Neesy
February 14th, 2013, 10:20 AM
All those affected by the news are said to be in stable condition. :wink2:

:rofl:

mustangclaire
February 15th, 2013, 10:27 AM
....and now we learn that traces of horse meat have been found in school dinners in 47 schools here in the UK. That does make me chuckle given they were sending kids home as their packed lunches they'd bought in wern't deemed "healthy" enough.....

Lily Sawyer
February 15th, 2013, 11:10 AM
I asked my mom last night about eating horse in post-war France when she and her family lived there. She and the kids who attended the American military school in Fontainebleau ate lunch in a caserne that was supplied with local food stuffs. She said they were served something with ground meat on one of the first days of the schoolyear, and that it was delicious...but soon afterwards the "hamburger" meat took on a funny taste - it was no beef that she'd ever tasted - and she stopped eating it. It apparently smells sweet when it's cooking. -They lived across a busy highway from a horse slaughterhouse and she said they could occasionally hear a horse screaming...and that's when she connected the dots.