Homophobic?

[Srbo]

I`m not homophobic, never even really think about it, it`s not my life nor my business what other people do and what they like or don`t like. But this got my attention:
In a book I`m reading atm, there is a scene where some guys gang up on another guy and they want to beat him up. In one moment this lone guy says to the main bully: " Do you know that people who like to constantly fight are actually gay, they just didn`t come out of the closet yet? They need to feel another man`s body, so they hide their true nature behind beating him up, but that`s the only way they gets to feel them. "
Then the writer goes into his own rant about how all team sports are like that, soccer, football, basketball...guys only play them so they can touch other men and smell their sweat and wrestle with them or something along those lines...
Is this guy onto to something or is he just a homophobic idiot?

[~Ally~]

Is this a fictional book where these are a character's feelings, or is the writer recanting his own memoirs? If it's fiction then no, this does not reflect on the writer's opinions in real life, after all how many times have people turned up here and accused SK of being racist or homophobic because of how his fictional characters behave? If this writer is expressing his own opinions, though, maybe he is homophobic, or maybe not...for all we know he may be homosexual himself and possibly offering his perspective as a gay man? Not knowing him personally I can't really say, I'm just speculating, but his views don't automatically make him homophobic.

[tenngolfer]

I`m not homophobic, never even really think about it, it`s not my life nor my business what other people do and what they like or don`t like. But this got my attention:
In a book I`m reading atm, there is a scene where some guys gang up on another guy and they want to beat him up. In one moment this lone guy says to the main bully: " Do you know that people who like to constantly fight are actually gay, they just didn`t come out of the closet yet? They need to feel another man`s body, so they hide their true nature behind beating him up, but that`s the only way they gets to feel them. "
Then the writer goes into his own rant about how all team sports are like that, soccer, football, basketball...guys only play them so they can touch other men and smell their sweat and wrestle with them or something along those lines...
Is this guy onto to something or is he just a homophobic idiot?

I'm not sure about the desire to bully or fight, but on the sports comment I would go with homophobic idiot, and a fear of playing sports. Of the only 4 gay men (3 I worked with during different jobs, 1 was an older cousin) only one liked sports and only as a spectator. Of the guys I played sports with in my younger days only two would I suspected of being gay, and one of those "came out" about 10 years into adulthood. I know so very little on the subject, but will I make one further observation. Of the 4 men, two of the men were snobby jerks, one of those being my cousin that my family did not like, not because he was gay, but because of the way he treated everyone else around him. The other two gentlemen, were two of the hardest working, nicest, community minded people you would ever want to be around. And their lifestyle never came up as a conversation between myself and any of them, although there was the "water cooler" talk about them, but also about everyone's elses relationships as well.

[Todash]

Eh, I think that's giving men too much credit for being overly complicated and thinky. :biggrin2: Kidding, kidding! Of course, some gay men do "hide" in sports--that's probably where you will find gay men so deeply in the closet that they're one step from Narnia--but I think that's more because sports are so overtly masculine that it's good cover, not so much the opportunity to ogle and grab. But it's a small percentage; even completely straight guys, for reasons I confess I do not understand, seem to enjoy donning matching uniforms and beating each other up while chasing around a ball of some sort.

I think in your book the writer guy is screwing with the bully's head.

[Sundrop]

My vote is that he's a homophobic idiot......

[Srbo]

It`s fiction Ally, but some passages in the book, like that one about sports...that`s his thinking, I`m 100% sure of it. Looked like an entry from his personal diary.
But...I can`t agree with that.
What, girls don`t play soccer or basketball?
That makes them lesbians?

I don`t know what to think about this guy...and no, as far as I know he is straight. He is a German writer, Heinrich Steinfest, not really well known outside of Germany, as far as I know.

[fljoe0]

My vote is that he's a homophobic idiot......

two votes for idiot

[king family fan]

diffentily an idiot!

[kingricefan]

Oh, SRBO, guess I'll chime in on this one. I've heard it said that alot of the guys in high school who 'got alot' from the ladies usually ended up coming out later in life. It was their way (in school) of convincing themselves and others that they weren't gay. Harvey Feinstein (actor, don't know if that's how to spell his name) says that he assumes all men are gay until he finds out otherwise. As for this writer, it's his character talking so can't really know for sure what he (the writer) thinks about this subject. You have to admit, there are some rather head-scratching terms used in sports: tight end, Oilers, Packers, etc. :laugh:

[jacobtlong]

There's very little for me to go one. Maybe he's not being homophobic as much as he is being "bully-phobic." Nothing insults a bully quite like having his sexual orientation questioned. Personally, if I were about to get my butt thoroughly kicked I'd do what whatever I could to wound their precious pride and sense of self-righteousness.

I've never read this guy or heard of him. If you think he is a homophobic idiot then he very well could be. Beats me.

[doowopgirl]

Three votes for idiot.

[carrie's younger brother]

In a book I`m reading atm, there is a scene where some guys gang up on another guy and they want to beat him up. In one moment this lone guy says to the main bully: " Do you know that people who like to constantly fight are actually gay, they just didn`t come out of the closet yet? They need to feel another man`s body, so they hide their true nature behind beating him up, but that`s the only way they gets to feel them. "
Then the writer goes into his own rant about how all team sports are like that, soccer, football, basketball...guys only play them so they can touch other men and smell their sweat and wrestle with them or something along those lines...
Is this guy onto to something or is he just a homophobic idiot?

This type of reasoning has been around forever. It's certainly not the first time I've heard any of this. Of course, aspects of it can be true. Why not? But that is not to say that every man who plays a sport or is a bully and beats up other guys is gay. There may be closeted "straight" men who play contact sports for the thrill of bodily contact with another man, but I would venture to say it is a subconscious thing, not something preplanned. Homosexuality is a complex issue and cannot be reasoned away in a few sentences by a crime writer in a novel. The author brings up some interesting points, but does himself a disservice by couching it in such an off-handed way.

[staropeace]

I think gay men are just like any other men. Being gay does not mean being a sex maniac...I am sure most would play sports just because they like sports. I do not think the gay lifestyle is a choice. Some gay folks are very obviously gay...they look and act it. Other folks are just the run of the mill everyday person. I think they are made the way God wanted them to be and there is absolutely nothing wrong with it.

As to the writer, he is probably just showing how stupid this character is. This is hard to say if one is not familiar with the book. Who wrote it, meduckie?

[GNTLGNT]

...the Resident Idiot votes the "Idiot" ticket...now having cast my ballot...I LIKE touching sweaty people...not that there's anything wrong with that...:oops:

[kingricefan]

...the Resident Idiot votes the "Idiot" ticket...now having cast my ballot...I LIKE touching sweaty people...not that there's anything wrong with that...:oops:

You have the perfect job, then, eh?? :laugh:

[fushingfeef]

I think it's just armchair psychology by a character in a book, no way can anyone accurately generalize sexual orientation that way.
That said, I sometimes have to wonder about people who go out of their way to bash gays every chance they get, seems like they're trying to cover up something...

[Todash]

Three votes for idiot.
Why do you get three votes? That doesn't seem quite fair.

[~Ally~]

That said, I sometimes have to wonder about people who go out of their way to bash gays every chance they get, seems like they're trying to cover up something...

This works in many ways. I have quite a few gay friends and at least two of them absolutely detest lesbians. And they aren't joking. They run them down every opportunity they get and they have no feasible reason for it, other than because they are lesbians and they judge them all the same. I also have gay friends who believe they can turn any man to their sexual persuasion if they wanted to.
This just proves to me that all people can be strange/judgemental/deluded, irrespective of their sexuality. :oo:

[kingricefan]

I think it's just armchair psychology by a character in a book, no way can anyone accurately generalize sexual orientation that way.
That said, I sometimes have to wonder about people who go out of their way to bash gays every chance they get, seems like they're trying to cover up something...

Cahd Allen, actor from that TV series Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman, said he and his friends used to drive around when he was in his late teens and look for 'gays' to beat up and then about ten years later met and fell in love with a man. Go figure.....

[GNTLGNT]

You have the perfect job, then, eh?? :laugh:

...and the perfect elbow length rubber gloves...:oo:

[Sundrop]

...and the perfect elbow length rubber gloves...:oo:

AAAACK!!!! :laugh:

[carrie's younger brother]

This works in many ways. I have quite a few gay friends and at least two of them absolutely detest lesbians. And they aren't joking. They run them down every opportunity they get and they have no feasible reason for it, other than because they are lesbians and they judge them all the same. I also have gay friends who believe they can turn any man to their sexual persuasion if they wanted to.
This just proves to me that all people can be strange/judgemental/deluded, irrespective of their sexuality. :oo:

Amen, sister!

[Walter Oobleck]

It`s fiction Ally, but some passages in the book, like that one about sports...that`s his thinking, I`m 100% sure of it. Looked like an entry from his personal diary.
But...I can`t agree with that.
What, girls don`t play soccer or basketball?
That makes them lesbians?

I don`t know what to think about this guy...and no, as far as I know he is straight. He is a German writer, Heinrich Steinfest, not really well known outside of Germany, as far as I know.

Did your opinion of the writer’s ideology change by story’s end, Srbo?

First impression of what you describe in the OP is that he is puttin’ on the Ritz. His argument seems silly, a fashion statement. But then again, if someone is tryin’ real hard to look like Gary Cooper, dressed up like a million dollar trooper, doesn’t that suggest they’d prefer that life over the late-trailer payment life they know? Is he onto something?

Or is it something else? Or both? Apparently he hasn’t been translated yet from the German? How does the writer treat other forms of tenderness? Watching hockey, someone scores a goal, the five (goal-scorer & teammates) on the ice huddle in a hug, sticks raised…then the goal-scorer leaves the group, skates along the bench, his gloved hand smacking the gloves of the his teammates standing by their bench. Arrgh!

I think this could be a relatively new phenomenon. They still have fights…Tootoo, for the Wings, whose job it is to fight…but I don’t recall if in the past--back when few wore helmets--if there was the obligatory skate-by the bench, smacking fists, after the group hug following a goal. Men ashamed of their tender moments? Nothing more? Nothing less?

Reading Laura Warholic, by Alexander Theroux, and Eugene Eyestones and his friend, Duxbak, are talking about E’s co-workers at Quink magazine, where E works, their opinion of Duxbak, who is unmarried, about Warholic, the editor at the magazine, who’d been in San Francisco. Things happened to him in San Francisco…He hates the place…And all it stands for…Or does not.

Eyestones says:

What’s ironic about that, is that homosexuality hundred of years ago posed far less a threat macho identity than heterosexuality did, an actual inversion of our current social belief…The social fear back then was the opposite! It was a Renaissance belief that males tended to be effeminized by their emasculating desire for women…How peculiar for them to feel that the ways of passion effeminized men.

I’m reminded of the commercial, two guys, eating subs…dreaming of Venice, of all places…that fantasy ends as they look at eat other.

Is shame of tenderness the reason some men have entered the priesthood…as a way of finding expression for those feelings?

[nygene40]

Eh, I think that's giving men too much credit for being overly complicated and thinky. :biggrin2: Kidding, kidding! Of course, some gay men do "hide" in sports--that's probably where you will find gay men so deeply in the closet that they're one step from Narnia--but I think that's more because sports are so overtly masculine that it's good cover, not so much the opportunity to ogle and grab. But it's a small percentage; even completely straight guys, for reasons I confess I do not understand, seem to enjoy donning matching uniforms and beating each other up while chasing around a ball of some sort.

I think in your book the writer guy is screwing with the bully's head.

I'm not sure I understand your statement about gay men who "hide" in sports. Perhaps they truly enjoy football, baseball etc..."that's where you find men so deeply in the closet..." I'm sorry, but that is insulting on so many levels. I know many gay men and women who are just athletes, and play sports because they are athletes. They aren't trying to "hide" behind sports at all. What an absurd thing!

[unclelouie]

I was a wrestler in high school (placed in state finals in 93.. wow, I feel ancient now). I will be the first to tell you, there is nothing sexual or erotic about a competitve wrestling match. Greco-Roman and freestyle take 100% of your concenration, focus, and requires a tremendous amount of cardio stamina. Although, I can remember my sister and everyone else in the world making the old, "you like to roll around with sweaty men in tights" joke. Yeah.. haha. But no...

[hossenpepper]

I'm not sure I understand your statement about gay men who "hide" in sports. Perhaps they truly enjoy football, baseball etc..."that's where you find men so deeply in the closet..." I'm sorry, but that is insulting on so many levels. I know many gay men and women who are just athletes, and play sports because they are athletes. They aren't trying to "hide" behind sports at all. What an absurd thing!

Yes, your inability to fully read what Todash said is quite absurd indeed. She said nothing of the sort as you interpreted it. If you're going to get high n' mighty, maybe know WTF you're talking about first. You should have stopped after the first sentence of your post.

[nygene40]

Yes, your inability to fully read what Todash said is quite absurd indeed. She said nothing of the sort as you interpreted it. If you're going to get high n' mighty, maybe know WTF you're talking about first. You should have stopped after the first sentence of your post.

Getting high and mighty was not my intention.

I do know 'WTF" I am talking about when it comes to gay men and women who are athletes and enjoy playing sports simply for the joy of it, rather than to use it as a "cover" for their homosexuality.

Your response is overtly hostile, especially since it isn't your post I was responding to.

Perhaps Todash can speak for herself, and correct me in a more mature way, if I have indeed misunderstood her original post. I am open to explanation when I have misinterpreted anything.

Given the aggressive tone you jumped in with (which showed no intention except to be insulting) it might be a good idea if you just minded your own business on this one.

[Moderator]

And from now on, the hope would be that everyone will ratchet things down a notch or two.

[hossenpepper]

Getting high and mighty was not my intention.

I do know 'WTF" I am talking about when it comes to gay men and women who are athletes and enjoy playing sports simply for the joy of it, rather than to use it as a "cover" for their homosexuality.

Your response is overtly hostile, especially since it isn't your post I was responding to.

Perhaps Todash can speak for herself, and correct me in a more mature way, if I have indeed misunderstood her original post. I am open to explanation when I have misinterpreted anything.

Given the aggressive tone you jumped in with (which showed no intention except to be insulting) it might be a good idea if you just minded your own business on this one.

Yes, no less aggressive than yours. The difference is yours was based on the fact you completely misinterpreted her words (in a completely off the wall way I might add). She said that because of the macho nature of sports, especially on the male side, being openly gay is not exactly accepted yet. Hence they have to hide it deeply to keep from being ostracized in their community. SHE MADE NO COMMENT ABOUT THE STATE OF MIND OF A GAY ATHLETE. Read that back several times as the entire foundation of your reply was that she as trying to impose her version of what a gay athlete thinks.

Had you said "I don't get what you're saying but if you mean this... I disagree", that would be one thing. But no, you had to say it was "insulting on so many levels". To who? You? But not sure who else it could be, so that means you are taking it personally and aggressively lashing back. The only reason you replied was to do this, yet when someone does it to you, and this time has actual facts an reality on their side you get upset? Please... However, if not taking it as personally insulting, I highly doubt you were elected the defender of all gay people, so you should maybe MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS, as you suggested I do. :wink2:

As far you knowing what you were talking about, again, you seem to not have the ability to properly interpret and instead make an assumption. This further proves my initial response was 100% valid as it did not misunderstand or illicit a different type of response from you. That statement had nothing to do with what you do or do not know about being gay. I have no idea what you know about that, nor do I care. It had nothing to do with what you may or may not know about the plight of gay athlete. I have no idea what you know about that, nor do I care. It had everything to do with the obvious fact, based upon your own words, that you had no idea what the actual thing she said was in the first place (though it was clear and concise).

With that, I will respect Miss Mod and bow out.

[Lily Sawyer]

Yes, no less aggressive than yours. The difference is yours was based on the fact you completely misinterpreted her words (in a completely off the wall way I might add). She said that because of the macho nature of sports, especially on the male side, being openly gay is not exactly accepted yet. Hence they have to hide it deeply to keep from being ostracized in their community. SHE MADE NO COMMENT ABOUT THE STATE OF MIND OF A GAY ATHLETE. Read that back several times as the entire foundation of your reply was that she as trying to impose her version of what a gay athlete thinks.

Had you said "I don't get what you're saying but if you mean this... I disagree", that would be one thing. But no, you had to say it was "insulting on so many levels". To who? You? But not sure who else it could be, so that means you are taking it personally and aggressively lashing back. The only reason you replied was to do this, yet when someone does it to you, and this time has actual facts an reality on their side you get upset? Please... However, if not taking it as personally insulting, I highly doubt you were elected the defender of all gay people, so you should maybe MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS, as you suggested I do. :wink2:

As far you knowing what you were talking about, again, you seem to not have the ability to properly interpret and instead make an assumption. This further proves my initial response was 100% valid as it did not misunderstand or illicit a different type of response from you. That statement had nothing to do with what you do or do not know about being gay. I have no idea what you know about that, nor do I care. It had nothing to do with what you may or may not know about the plight of gay athlete. I have no idea what you know about that, nor do I care. It had everything to do with the obvious fact, based upon your own words, that you had no idea what the actual thing she said was in the first place (though it was clear and concise).

With that, I will respect Miss Mod and bow out.

Cocktail? :dizzy:

[PatInTheHat]

Badgers:eek2:?!?!?!?
Ahhhhhh:27_003:!!! WE GOT BADGER INFESTATION! THEY'RE RUNNIN' AMOK! SCATTER LIKE THE WIND IF YOU VALUE YOUR VERY LIVES!!!!!!

[Out of Order]

Badgers? We don't need no stinkin badgers........

[nygene40]

Yes, no less aggressive than yours. The difference is yours was based on the fact you completely misinterpreted her words (in a completely off the wall way I might add). She said that because of the macho nature of sports, especially on the male side, being openly gay is not exactly accepted yet. Hence they have to hide it deeply to keep from being ostracized in their community. SHE MADE NO COMMENT ABOUT THE STATE OF MIND OF A GAY ATHLETE. Read that back several times as the entire foundation of your reply was that she as trying to impose her version of what a gay athlete thinks.

Had you said "I don't get what you're saying but if you mean this... I disagree", that would be one thing. But no, you had to say it was "insulting on so many levels". To who? You? But not sure who else it could be, so that means you are taking it personally and aggressively lashing back. The only reason you replied was to do this, yet when someone does it to you, and this time has actual facts an reality on their side you get upset? Please... However, if not taking it as personally insulting, I highly doubt you were elected the defender of all gay people, so you should maybe MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS, as you suggested I do. :wink2:

As far you knowing what you were talking about, again, you seem to not have the ability to properly interpret and instead make an assumption. This further proves my initial response was 100% valid as it did not misunderstand or illicit a different type of response from you. That statement had nothing to do with what you do or do not know about being gay. I have no idea what you know about that, nor do I care. It had nothing to do with what you may or may not know about the plight of gay athlete. I have no idea what you know about that, nor do I care. It had everything to do with the obvious fact, based upon your own words, that you had no idea what the actual thing she said was in the first place (though it was clear and concise).

With that, I will respect Miss Mod and bow out.

Really the only person I would like to hear from is Todash, since she is the author of the original post. Hossenpepper, you seem to have elected yourself as defender of the meaning (which I seem to have misinterpreted) of the original post by Todash. Your posts have been filled with accusations about what I said, meant and didn't understand. Honestly, when I posted my original reply, to Todash, I was hoping to have an adult conversation her about what she meant in her post. You jumped right in accusing me of not knowing "WTF" I was talking about and coming off as "High and Mighty". This is counterproductive language with one thing in mind: creating anger. I am ashamed to say I took the bait.

Why can't Todash answer to her own post rather than you appointing yourself as her watchdog. Your vow to bow out is more than welcome.

My original post to Todash was never intended to have the consequences it has created.

Note to todash: PM me if you would like to talk about this. I am not a jerk, and I am more that willing to see where I may have misunderstood your post.

Regards,
Gene

[nygene40]

Cocktail? :dizzy:

Does this mean you want to have a cocktail with me, or throw one in my face?

[Moderator]

It's been a really long week, folks. Can we please end it civilly?

[nygene40]

Does this mean you want to have a cocktail with me, or throw one in my face?

IT"S A JOKE!

[Moderator]

IT"S A JOKE!

Very glad to hear that was your intention but was hard to tell without any emoticons to convey you weren't serious, at least to me particularly given the previous exchanges. It can be a tricky medium without benefit of tone of voice or body language to know sometimes.

[unclelouie]

Does this mean you want to have a cocktail with me, or throw one in my face?

A true homophobe would never engage in COCKtails...

[Out of Order]

:lfacepalm:

[nygene40]

Very glad to hear that was your intention but was hard to tell without any emoticons to convey you weren't serious, at least to me particularly given the previous exchanges. It can be a tricky medium without benefit of tone of voice or body language to know sometimes.

Sorry, I just never got into the habit of the emoticon thing. The word reminds me of when someone at a Comic Con breaks down crying because they met the Purple Avenger.:alien:

I intend on using emoticons to excess from this point onward.:sweat:

[unclelouie]

:lfacepalm:

Why did you post Captain Kirk doing a faceplam?

[nygene40]

A true homophobe would never engage in COCKtails...

I beg to differ!:heheh:

[nygene40]

Why did you post Captain Kirk doing a faceplam?

So he could get to the other side of the road?;-D

[Out of Order]

Why did you post Captain Kirk doing a faceplam?

:lfacepalm::lfacepalm:

[unclelouie]

:lfacepalm::lfacepalm:

Capt Sisko?

[Out of Order]

Capt Sisko?

:lfacepalm::facepalm::lfacepalm:

[Lily Sawyer]

Does this mean you want to have a cocktail with me, or throw one in my face?

Naw, I was offering one to Hossie. I just thought a pitcher of kumquat margaritas sounded good and was going to offer a drink to Ms. Mod & Sundrop. I figured Hossie could do with a belt of something as well.
You're welcome to have one, too. :)

Well, hell.....first round's on me! Kumquat margaritas for the people, I say!

[Out of Order]

It's five o'clock somewhere!!!!!;;D

[Todash]

I'm not sure I understand your statement about gay men who "hide" in sports. Perhaps they truly enjoy football, baseball etc..."that's where you find men so deeply in the closet..." I'm sorry, but that is insulting on so many levels. I know many gay men and women who are just athletes, and play sports because they are athletes. They aren't trying to "hide" behind sports at all. What an absurd thing!
Wow, I had absolutely no idea this tempest was brewing. Certainly it wasn't my intent to cause a ruckus.

I think perhaps you took so much umbrage to the first part of what I said that you missed the second part ... which is pretty much exactly what you're saying: it's likely "a small percentage" (quoting myself) of men who do that. Lots of guys (and women, but generally it's more perceived as a guy thing) just ... like sports. And gay men are still men.

But there are gay men who engage in typically masculine endeavors that they might not fully enjoy as cover, especially if they grow up in an environment where they don't feel safe being who they are openly. All you have to do, if you don't know people like that yourself, is google it to see story after story of gay or transgender kids doing everything they could to fit in as a matter of survival. Sports, especially certain contact sports, are typically viewed as a masculine thing, and are therefore a great place to "hide." Heck, there are plenty of straight kids who play football not because they want to but because their dad wants to vicariously relive his glory days as a high school quarterback. I'm not saying it should be that way; I'm just saying that it is. I don't follow sports (pretty much at all), but even I can recall reading about several professional athletes "coming out"--after they retire. It's always after they retire. Maybe 95% of those played for the love of the game ... but it is not a stretch, not at all, to think that there is a small percentage of people who fear coming out so much that they spend their young adulthood concealing who they are by using sports.

My intent was not to be insulting at all, and I do not think the truth of the thing is insulting. It simply is. It's just a sad part of the human condition. I agree; it's absurd. Did you know one of the top five regrets people have on their deathbeds is that they wish they'd been able to be themselves, to tell other people how they feel?

[Todash]

Naw, I was offering one to Hossie. I just thought a pitcher of kumquat margaritas sounded good and was going to offer a drink to Ms. Mod & Sundrop. I figured Hossie could do with a belt of something as well.
You're welcome to have one, too. :)

Well, hell.....first round's on me! Kumquat margaritas for the people, I say!Hey, turns out I am a people!

[Moderator]

Naw, I was offering one to Hossie. I just thought a pitcher of kumquat margaritas sounded good and was going to offer a drink to Ms. Mod & Sundrop. I figured Hossie could do with a belt of something as well.
You're welcome to have one, too. :)

Well, hell.....first round's on me! Kumquat margaritas for the people, I say!

Will have to wait a couple hours for mine, but sounds like a great way to put a cap on the end of this work week! :smile2:

[exzel]

That anyone wonders how the latitude of platitude affects attitude is beyond me.

http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4943817525559677&pid=15.1

[unclelouie]

:lfacepalm::facepalm::lfacepalm:

Pike?

[unclelouie]

That anyone wonders how the latitude of platitude affects attitude is beyond me.

http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4943817525559677&pid=15.1

I think there is a Jimmy Buffet song about that. But Id have to be drunk to recall the lyrics.

[nygene40]

I stand corrected, and enlightened by your post last post Todash. :smile:

Thank you for refraining from accusing me of being "High and Mighty", and telling me I didn't know WTF I was talking about. I think you can see how I may have drawn the conclusions I did from your first post.

Lilly Sawyer, forgive my hubris in thinking you were asking me out for a drink. It's just the way the posts followed one after the other. What was I thinking? I'm a minor member of the SKMB. O_O clearly not part of the "gang", and that's just fine.=D

One thing I have learned from this whole thing is this: I will stay away from the hot button threads, it simply isn't worth the trouble.:mad2:

[nygene40]

That anyone wonders how the latitude of platitude affects attitude is beyond me.

http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4943817525559677&pid=15.1

What does this mean?

[Lily Sawyer]

I stand corrected, and enlightened by your post last post Todash. :smile:

Thank you for refraining from accusing me of being "High and Mighty", and telling me I didn't know WTF I was talking about. I think you can see how I may have drawn the conclusions I did from your first post.

Lilly Sawyer, forgive my hubris in thinking you were asking me out for a drink. It's just the way the posts followed one after the other. What was I thinking? I'm a minor member of the SKMB. O_O clearly not part of the "gang", and that's just fine.=D

One thing I have learned from this whole thing is this: I will stay away from the hot button threads, it simply isn't worth the trouble.:mad2:

No hubris noted and certainly no offense intended or taken....and I, for one, consider you Part Of the Gang.
I'm not a Cool Kid and never aspired to being one, so if you're still up for a margarita and can tolerate Southern Nerd, come sit with me.
(I *am* asking you out for a drink. Sorta kinda. You get what I'm sayin'.)

[Samantha_]

I think there is a Jimmy Buffet song about that.

The song is "Changes in Latitudes, Changes in Attitudes."

A good line in the song is "If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane." Hey all, it's Friday! A little :laugh: ter, is a good thing.

[nygene40]

I think gay men are just like any other men. Being gay does not mean being a sex maniac...I am sure most would play sports just because they like sports. I do not think the gay lifestyle is a choice. Some gay folks are very obviously gay...they look and act it. Other folks are just the run of the mill everyday person. I think they are made the way God wanted them to be and there is absolutely nothing wrong with it.

As to the writer, he is probably just showing how stupid this character is. This is hard to say if one is not familiar with the book. Who wrote it, meduckie?

Goodness, a voice of reason!

I think I like you,

[GNTLGNT]

...I did dislike a series of your posts Gene, not because I necessarily disagree with your viewpoints-just because I felt they were a bit high-handed...in other words, it's OK to have differing opinions, just thought you came off a bit surly...we may not always get along here on the Board-but we try to disagree respectfully...not always does that occur-but most folk here are good-hearted, just contentious at times...no harm, no foul...and for the record, I have many gay and lesbian friends and think the world of them...there's room for all makes and models here on this big ball of dirt...I only hate evil in it's endless forms...

[nygene40]

Todash, I can see how I got of on the wrong track when I read your post and didn't realize you were referring to professional sports. I was thinking along the lines of non-professional sports. I know a lot of hockey players, boxers, baseball players...etc, who are gay and out and excellent athletes.

[exzel]

What does this mean?

Suffice it to mean that at times it can get a little Animal Farm(ish) here.