Shooting in Portland

[Shasta]

This makes me really sad. Why do people keep doing stuff like this? I don't even like people but I certainly wouldn't want to hurt them.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/12/15864523-oregon-shopping-mall-gunman-identified-motive-unclear?lite

[Moderator]

:down:

[king family fan]

I think they do these things cause they aint happy themselves. Diffentily sick minds.

[fushingfeef]

This country is sick, the world is sick. People have forgotten how to connect.

[kingricefan]

'Tis sad indeed! I've been at that mall, my godchildren live in the Portland area and we went to that mall numerous times in the past. I believe that Tonya Harding used to practice her skating there. Such a crazy world we live in.....:down:

[Becks19]

Another senseless tragedy. Once again, my heart breaks for those who lost loved ones. ( and for those who were there)

[Jojo87]

It's so sad to hear about these shooting things. :down: Guns should only be
legally for cops, then maybe most shooting things would calm down. Sad but
true, mostly guns goes to wrong people. But not all police are good with guns. Here in
my hometown 10 years ago a police shot his wife and himself. They had young children who
became orphan.

[Todash]

This kind of stuff always saddens me. Unlike Shasta, I do like people*, though I am perhaps a bit less naive than I used to be ... And I think it must be pretty awful to feel that you have no alternative but to kill yourself. BUT. I have no sympathy, none, for people who decide to take others with them. I feel as harshly about that as anything: if you are going to commit suicide, if you've determined that nothing will stop you, then that's very unfortunate ... but for God's sake, just do it. Don't spread your misery further than you have to; you're already going to cause your family and friends untold years of agony just by killing yourself. What do you get by making it worse for others? All those families who were just innocently shopping ... they didn't even know the guy. :sad:

I've no mercy in my heart for people like this gunman. None. That's probably a personal failing, but it's just how it is.

*On a more positive note: you always say you don't like people, Shasta, but really I think you just wish you didn't like people. I don't think you can help it. :smile2:

[Shasta]

I think they do these things cause they aint happy themselves. Diffentily sick minds.

Then just kill yourself. Don't harm people who have done absolutely nothing to you! (I'm not directing this at you. Just at my frustration that people do this!)

[Shasta]

This kind of stuff always saddens me. Unlike Shasta, I do like people*, though I am perhaps a bit less naive than I used to be ... And I think it must be pretty awful to feel that you have no alternative but to kill yourself. BUT. I have no sympathy, none, for people who decide to take others with them. I feel as harshly about that as anything: if you are going to commit suicide, if you've determined that nothing will stop you, then that's very unfortunate ... but for God's sake, just do it. Don't spread your misery further than you have to; you're already going to cause your family and friends untold years of agony just by killing yourself. What do you get by making it worse for others? All those families who were just innocently shopping ... they didn't even know the guy. :sad:

I've no mercy in my heart for people like this gunman. None. That's probably a personal failing, but it's just how it is.

As usual, I agree with you 100%. I wouldn't want to be suicidal either and I can only imagine how it feels. But why hurt innocent people? Is killing some woman who is simply doing her Christmas shopping going to make you feel any better??? No! I know this sounds awful and I always come across wrong on here but serial killers make more sense to me. Obviously they are both incredibly awful but at least serial killers have something they are going after, for the most part. Walking into a mall (or a movie theater) just makes no sense. (High schools I kind of get as I had a terrible HS experience.) It's all just so pointless.



*On a more positive note: you always say you don't like people, Shasta, but really I think you just wish you didn't like people. I don't think you can help it. :smile2:

Nope. I will disagree with you on this. As a whole I wish most of the planet would just go away. But quietly and painlessly. Just because I don't like them doesn't mean I want them to feel pain or fear. And there are quite a few people on the freeway I see that I wish would cease to exist. Some people just don't deserve the air they breathe. I just don't think another person has the power to be the judge, jury, and executioner. Someone, somewhere, may love those jerks. I have a serious distaste for what humanity as a whole has become.

[GNTLGNT]

....it is impossible to fully understand how anymore twisted souls like the shooter can be packed into that special corner of Hell, they're gonna have to open up another level forthwith, and let the torture begin...

[nate_watkins]

It kinda makes me wish they would only target other killers.

[mjs9153]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=iTywHAFZxcU Hard not to get down when bad news like this all the time,but there is an awful lot of good out there too,so hang in there folks..:smile2:

[Todash]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=iTywHAFZxcU Hard not to get down when bad news like this all the time,but there is an awful lot of good out there too,so hang in there folks..:smile2:
This is very true. The vast majority of people who go to malls come back with nothing but stuff. And ... well, bills. :biggrin2:

Really most people are not actively bad (sorry, Shasta) or actively good. They just *are*. In groups most of us can be convinced to do really bad things (mob mentality) or even really good things, but it's rare, statistically speaking, for one person to just do this kind of thing out of the blue. That's what makes it news.

[Todash]

It kinda makes me wish they would only target other killers.

I've often wondered if a driver intent on murdering a hitchhiker has ever picked up a hitchhiker intent on murdering a driver. And if so ... what happened?

[Shasta]

It kinda makes me wish they would only target other killers.

What a spectacular idea! There should be a public awareness campaign "If you need to go on a shooting rampage, go to a prison."

What a way to save tax dollars!

[Becks19]

I've often wondered if a driver intent on murdering a hitchhiker has ever picked up a hitchhiker intent on murdering a driver. And if so ... what happened?

Hmm, I'd have to say, that would depend on who's quicker.

[atomicinchworm]

What a spectacular idea! There should be a public awareness campaign "If you need to go on a shooting rampage, go to a prison."

What a way to save tax dollars!

As long as it's a high security prison, maybe. There are way too many non-violent offenders in most prisons, like guys who got caught possessing weed (I don't even smoke the stuff, but seriously just legalize it), or no car insurance, or whatnot.

I used to think that I hated people. But, on the whole, people are, as Todash put it, people. Even after volunteering at a kill shelter that doesn't care very much, I find that for every case of extreme neglect there are cases of triumph and goodness.

Of course, now I am volunteering for a kill shelter that actually does care (last month they had a 94% live release rate which is really impressive) because human goodness is out there.

[PatInTheHat]

I have a serious distaste for what humanity as a whole has become.

Become?
And what's that?
http://www.npr.org/2012/10/08/162376635/war-and-violence-on-the-decline-in-modern-times
There's a mucho much bigger picture is all I'm sayin'.
*POOF*
Okay, we've now gone back to havin' only three tv channels:eek2:..oh yeah babes, and I just crammed into the glove box of me microbus one o' those fabulous FM radio convertors, well hell yeah 'cause I'm too :cool2: for skool:rolleyes:!...all major and most minor(ish) cities have two or more newspapers, many of those with two editions.
And ya know what, I don't remember a whole lot of stories in print, or on the big floor model Zenith, about how wonderful we all were with & to one another, in fact I recall very clearly quite the opposite, we just hadn't as yet come up with many of the labels we use today, but different, that sure don't mean it ain't same same.
(well okay, them wavy gravy hippies preached all about peace & love, kinda like that Baby Jesus fella was supposed to have, and just look how they all got treated)
Or *POOF* let's all head on down to Arnold's for burgers & shakes and hang out with Richie, Pottsie, and The Fonz, Aaaayyyy!...and what, we'll just swear we're so very thankful back to livin' in those more love of our fellow man happier Happy Days, the hell with the Cold War and the threat of nuclear annihilation, we got Chuck Berry damn it:eyebrow:?
Not very likely is what I'm sayin', I mean were they more "innocent times", yeah sure, I can most certainly buy into that, but that was only from ignorance of all the unknowns we now can't help from now knowing, well, unless your a total hermit within the Mole Peoples world, or in a brain dead coma.
Could it be better, well yaaaaaa, I mean that while it's an empirical truism that we've proven, time & time & time again, just how really great we are at killin' & manglin' one another, but relatively speakin', we ain't doin' so bad in the beatin' each others brains out department, not really, just seems like it.
Like a great philosopher once sang...

We're playing those mind games together,

Pushing barriers, planting seeds,
Playing the mind guerilla,
Chanting the Mantra peace on earth,

We all been playing mind games forever,

Some kinda druid dudes lifting the veil.
Doing the mind guerilla,
Some call it the search for the grail,
Love is the answer and you know that for sure,
Love is flower you got to let it, you got to let it grow,

So keep on playing those mind games together,

Faith in the future outta the now,
You just can't beat on those mind guerillas,
Absolute elsewhere in the stones of your mind,

Yeah we're playing those mind games forever,

Projecting our images in space and in time,
Yes is the answer and you know that for sure,
Yes is the surrender you got to let it, you got to let it go,

So keep on playing those mind games together,

Doing the ritual dance inn the sun,
Millions of mind guerrillas,
Putting their soul power to the karmic wheel,

Keep on playing those mind games forever,

Raising the spirit of peace and love, not war,
(I want you to make love, not war, I know you've heard it before
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dHUfy_YBps
:love:!!!

[Shasta]

As long as it's a high security prison, maybe. There are way too many non-violent offenders in most prisons, like guys who got caught possessing weed (I don't even smoke the stuff, but seriously just legalize it), or no car insurance, or whatnot.



Agreed!

[Shasta]

Pat, I'm guessing if I had lived back then I would have still had a distaste for humanity as a whole. It's not the time I don't like, it's how people treat other people.

[atomicinchworm]

Pat, I'm guessing if I had lived back then I would have still had a distaste for humanity as a whole. It's not the time I don't like, it's how people treat other people.

You need to visit Kansas City, then.

It's like this little epicenter of genuine niceness. ;)

[Todash]

Hmm, I'd have to say, that would depend on who's quicker.

I was worried they might, you know, team up.

[PatInTheHat]

Pat, I'm guessing if I had lived back then I would have still had a distaste for humanity as a whole. It's not the time I don't like, it's how people treat other people.
Oh I can dig it, oh my word can I ever, but the point is, and as hard as it is to believe, at least on most days, somehow, someway, we're actually getting better:love:.
Mind guerrilla lovefare, it must really work:cool2:!

[Shasta]

Oh I can dig it, oh my word can I ever, but the point is, and as hard as it is to believe, at least on most days, somehow, someway, we're actually getting better:love:.
Mind guerrilla lovefare, it must really work:cool2:!

You know, Pat, I actually agree. I really think people are realizing how disconnected we are and are really trying to change it. Myself included.

[Shasta]

You need to visit Kansas City, then.

It's like this little epicenter of genuine niceness. ;)

Really? If it was closer to an ocean I'd move there then.

[Todash]

Really? If it was closer to an ocean I'd move there then.
Really. Especially in the northern part of the city, which we call Northland, and on the Missouri side overall, it's just ... I don't know how to explain it. People are in general quite nice. Genuinely, wave-you-in-in-traffic, please-and-thank-you, hold-the-door, give-a-stranger-directions nice.

[Shasta]

Really. Especially in the northern part of the city, which we call Northland, and on the Missouri side overall, it's just ... I don't know how to explain it. People are in general quite nice. Genuinely, wave-you-in-in-traffic, please-and-thank-you, hold-the-door, give-a-stranger-directions nice.

WHAT? I'm moving.

[PatInTheHat]

You know, Pat, I actually agree. I really think people are realizing how disconnected we are and are really trying to change it. Myself included.
L :love: ve, it really is the answer:y:...and, D) All The Above, well you know, if it's multiple choice, I mean if'n ya can make the argument, always go with odds I say:wink2:.

[GNTLGNT]

I've often wondered if a driver intent on murdering a hitchhiker has ever picked up a hitchhiker intent on murdering a driver. And if so ... what happened?

...well, she just revealed Unca Steve's next plot-line!...way to go......:wink2:

[GNTLGNT]

Really? If it was closer to an ocean I'd move there then.

...folks in Arizona might notcare for that, coz, well-they'd be a coral reef-right?....

[Tery]

When the media stops treating these shooters like celebrities we may see an improvement. The last two have rather faded away quickly -- a good start, maybe? Either way, I'm tired of effed up, self-loathing-so-I-strike-out-rather-than-deal asshats thinking that they need to go out with a bang. Put your pants on, Princess, and deal with it. At least, if you can't, stay the eff home and shoot yourself.

[Todash]

...well, she just revealed Unca Steve's next plot-line!...way to go......:wink2:
That would totally work for me! I'm not gonna write the story myself, but I would love to read it.

[Becks19]

I was worried they might, you know, team up.

Or better yet, neither one of them survives the trip.......sheesh they just did the world a favor!