This book broke my heart.

[hogsbutt]

When I say it broke my heart I don't mean it in a good way. I love S. King but I also hate him and after 11/17/63 I hate him a little more.

I loved the first quarter of the book, it was the King of old. Man I couldn't wait to find out what happened next. Then the character moved to Jodi Texas. What the heck did any of that have to do with the plot? Why would he fall in love? Is Saddie a crazy person or what? I hate listening to them going on with pet names and declartions of love to one another. It is sicking. How many times did these two " MAKE LOVE"? A man from the future and a nut job from the south making love two dozen times isnt romantic its boring.

I clapped when I thought S. King was done with this pointless side track in the novel but No the curse of Jodi Texas must come back and haunt the story. And what was with those people at the school fawning over George like he was the best thing since sliced bread. Okay I get it the narrator of the story is a great guy who never does wrong. He is prefectly boring.

I could have sworn this book was written by a more talented Dean Knootz. Not that Dean is more talented then King, I mean King is more talented, heck now I am losing track. Next I will be writing about my time in a small texas town where I put on plays with mildly retarded students and MADE LOVE with nut job school teacher who was the biggest victim in novel history.

I will buy Mr. Kings books because normally I love them and with the good I will get the bad. This should have been a novelette and cut out all that filler. I would have rather over paided for small story then got my moneys worth for a longer version of what came out of Cujos @ss.

Sorry readers but this story was CORNY as Hell.

Love you Steve.

[Srbo]

When I say it broke my heart I don't mean it in a good way. I love S. King but I also hate him and after 11/17/63 I hate him a little more.

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Hi and welcome to the board.
I read 11/22/63/.

When I read 11/17/63 I`ll let you know if I agree with you or not.
All the best.

[J.T. Adams]

I'm sure he loves you too.

From what i've heard the central love story was most people's favorite part.

[~Ally~]

I read 11/22/63/.
When I read 11/17/63 I`ll let you know if I agree with you or not.

Hahaha, you got there before me! Grr to you Srbo! :wink2:

Welcome to the board; hogsbutt. Interesting username.

That is all...today this fishee ain't biting.

[Frannie Goldsmith 817]

Not to give any thing away but I like Jodi Texas and that story. I think it give you the reason why the ending is what it is

[GNTLGNT]

Well, I thanked you for your thoughts...and congrats on an apt user name...

[91rewoT]

hogsbutt, my parents always said that if I didn't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all. With that said, here's what I think...:zip:

[melindaville]

Hi and welcome. I'm rather new myself. It's so funny how two people can have such a vastly different opinion of the same book--but hey! That's what makes the world interesting, right?

One of my favorite aspects of the book was the side stories. I absolutely loved the return to Derry (oh memories) and I thought the love story between Sadie and Jake was one of the best aspects of the book. I found that there were two very compelling parallel stories going on with this book. Yes, you did have the major plot of Jake returning to Dallas to try to stop Oswald--but you also had this very compelling love story, which complicated Jake's first mission so much. I really think that the love story was critical to the overall book. But, hey! That's just me!

The only thing I have ever hated about SK is that he can't manage to write a new book every month!

[melindaville]

Hi and welcome to the board.
I read 11/22/63/.

When I read 11/17/63 I`ll let you know if I agree with you or not.
All the best.

Haha--I almost wrote the same exact thing!:biggrin2:

[~Ally~]

Well, I thanked you for your thoughts...and congrats on an apt user name...

Yar, the username is certainly apt, I mean unique. :blush: Although I was actually rather taken by the term; "a longer version of what came out of Cujos @ss."

Cujosass would be a pretty cool username methinks. :cool2: Whenever the name is said it needs to be accompanied by jazzhands, and pronounced like "Just Jack" from Will and Grace. If y'all don't know how he says that then you best head over to Youtube and find a clip. Pronto. Anyhoo, I'm seriously considering Cujosass as my next username when I become bored with being myself. It would be kinda neat if Jordan allowed the "prolifics" the privilege of unlimited name changes, kinda like a reward for all out valuable--don't laugh!--input as members of the site. Damn, I would be like PITH, but instead of changing my profile picture every day I'd change my name...that'd keep y'all guessing. And would keep my multiple personalities happy. :geek: Well, some of them. Can't please them all, right?? :down:
Have a nice day now! Cheerio. http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/userpics/12962/bye.gif

[JellybeanJay]

Yar, the username is certainly apt, I mean unique. :blush: Although I was actually rather taken by the term; "a longer version of what came out of Cujos @ss."

Cujosass would be a pretty cool username methinks. :cool2: Whenever the name is said it needs to be accompanied by jazzhands, and pronounced like "Just Jack" from Will and Grace. If y'all don't know how he says that then you best head over to Youtube and find a clip. Pronto. Anyhoo, I'm seriously considering Cujosass as my next username when I become bored with being myself. It would be kinda neat if Jordan allowed the "prolifics" the privilege of unlimited name changes, kinda like a reward for all out valuable--don't laugh!--input as members of the site. Damn, I would be like PITH, but instead of changing my profile picture every day I'd change my name...that'd keep y'all guessing. And would keep my multiple personalities happy. :geek: Well, some of them. Can't please them all, right?? :down:
Have a nice day now! Cheerio. http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/userpics/12962/bye.gif

Thanks for the laugh Allie! I love "Just Jack"

[Sundragon63]

I'm almost done w/the book, which I personally, am loving. I received it as a birthday present on Thursday past and have nibbled at it until today which I've spent all of glued to the book. I have no objection to the descriptions of the relationship between the 2 characters. What I find mildy irritating is Mr Koontz' unending use of the word "preternatural". But to the point at hand, I hate having the book end! I'm on page 734 and am taking a break to put off the inevitable-went and got "Hearts in Atlantis" to re-read next. If I might make a small joke-I find Hoggsbutt's name preternaturally fitting..it's JODIE TX and SADIE, not Jodi and Saddie. Now back to my book...

[doowopgirl]

No offence intended, but I SO disagree with you. I love the side story. For me that is what maes kING THE kING. That is what makes a story, no matter how implausable seem plausible. It is the how would I handle it, it is just what makes me go back again and again.

[SharonC]

Call me crazy, but I have the entire Will and Grace series on DVD. Never get tired of watching it. I adore Sean Hayes.

I haven't read 11/22/63 yet but I am looking forward to doing so as soon as possible. I can't comment on the story yet but I am encouraged by all the positive things I've been reading.

[Becks19]

Reading 11/22/63 and about how lax security was in those days reminded me of this picture. I am not sure if it's photo shopped ( don't think so) I think it's a toy. However, in this day and age a politician would never be so accessible, nor would this kind of thing fly. Let me know what you think.

http://www.craized.com/photos/373.jpg

[rickeap]

I am a horror/thriller reader but it was the love story that really got to me in this book.

[Sundrop]

Well, I thanked you for your thoughts...and congrats on an apt user name...

:rofl:

I love you, Scott ♥

[Sundrop]

When I say it broke my heart I don't mean it in a good way. I love S. King but I also hate him and after 11/17/63 I hate him a little more.

I loved the first quarter of the book, it was the King of old. Man I couldn't wait to find out what happened next. Then the character moved to Jodi Texas. What the heck did any of that have to do with the plot? Why would he fall in love? Is Saddie a crazy person or what? I hate listening to them going on with pet names and declartions of love to one another. It is sicking. How many times did these two " MAKE LOVE"? A man from the future and a nut job from the south making love two dozen times isnt romantic its boring.

I clapped when I thought S. King was done with this pointless side track in the novel but No the curse of Jodi Texas must come back and haunt the story. And what was with those people at the school fawning over George like he was the best thing since sliced bread. Okay I get it the narrator of the story is a great guy who never does wrong. He is prefectly boring.

I could have sworn this book was written by a more talented Dean Knootz. Not that Dean is more talented then King, I mean King is more talented, heck now I am losing track. Next I will be writing about my time in a small texas town where I put on plays with mildly retarded students and MADE LOVE with nut job school teacher who was the biggest victim in novel history.

I will buy Mr. Kings books because normally I love them and with the good I will get the bad. This should have been a novelette and cut out all that filler. I would have rather over paided for small story then got my moneys worth for a longer version of what came out of Cujos @ss.

Sorry readers but this story was CORNY as Hell.

Love you Steve.

In my ever so humble opinion, it had everything to do with the plot.....

He did have to live in the past for 5 years, after all..... Naturally, he would interact with people, etc.
His actions and interactions are what caused the changes in the string of events.

What did you expect?......for him to sit alone in a hotel room eating Chinese takeout for all that time?
....talk about boring!

[Jennifer Nedbalek]

In my ever so humble opinion, it had everything to do with the plot.....

He did have to live in the past for 5 years, after all..... Naturally, he would interact with people, etc.
His actions and interactions are what caused the changes in the string of events.

What did you expect?......for him to sit alone in a hotel room eating Chinese takeout for all that time?
....talk about boring!

I have to say I agree. That is what added some realism to the story because obviously there has to be some interaction. Whenever you read or hear about time travel it always seems like you can't do anything because you'll alter history too much. But in fact that was what he was intending to do, and change it BIG. Sof if he was already going to do that, why not change it some more? Other than changing it so he isn't born (and therefore creating a paradox) or Al's diner doesn't appear. Didn't Al himself mention that the worst that would happen is he'd have to live in the past? Somehow that seemed like a bit of foreshadowing or a hint.

I found myself liking the story so much that in fact, the mentions of Oswald and the original mission is what almost became boring to me.

[Lily Sawyer]

[QUOTE=hogsbutt;486630]When I say it broke my heart I don't mean it in a good way. I love S. King but I also hate him and after 11/17/63 I hate him a little more.

It appears that Dale Carnegie seminar didn't work out well for you.


I loved the first quarter of the book, it was the King of old. Man I couldn't wait to find out what happened next. Then the character moved to Jodi Texas. What the heck did any of that have to do with the plot?

Everything.

Jake's reasoning for returning to the past (initially) is to make things right for Harry and his siblings by dealing with Harry's sicko father in Derry. This happens five years before the Kennedy assassination.
Al and Jake have an in-depth conversation before Al dies, in which all of the domino effects of time travel are discussed. Jake realizes that to accomplish everything on his To-Do list, he has no choice but to remain in the past once he's entered, all the way up to the assassination attempt in 1963.

So to bide his time and do the research necessary for foiling Oswald, and to cover his espionage tracks, he chooses to live in a town two hours away from Dallas. And in that interim time when he's making his trips to Dallas and spying on the Oswalds, he happens to fall in love with Sadie.

The "pointless side track" of returning to Jody is rendered indeed worthwhile when Jake is able to save Sadie from dying. In the middle of all this suspended disbelief, I think most readers would agree they'd do the same thing for someone they love.

Fine if you found Jake/George boring. Everyone's entitled to their opinion. However......


I could have sworn this book was written by a more talented Dean Knootz.

Them's fightin' words around here, pal. There are some who like Mr. Koontz's work. I would not be among that fan club.


I would have rather over paided for small story then got my moneys worth for a longer version of what came out of Cujos @ss.

This last has clarified several things for me:
First, that it no doubt will endear you forever to Mr. King, specifically because you posted it with sincere charm on a website that he owns and operates at no charge to his fans.
Second, that your enlightened review of 11/22/63 might have carried more gravitas had you remembered to use the Spellcheck function available to you in this forum.
And third, that what initially appears to be an apt moniker for you now takes on the suspicious appearance of the view from the north end of a donkey facing south.

Love you Steve.

Could have fooled me.

[tenngolfer]

I found myself liking the story so much that in fact, the mentions of Oswald and the original mission is what almost became boring to me.

Me too. If you would have told me it was a love story, I never would have read the book, but the story was great, and heart breaking.

[jussupoff]

I loved the book. The love story is amazing, and the conclusion did not disappoint me in any way. I read it, now I want the audio book. I think it's amazing how he can come up with new ideas building on his old ideas all the time. Wonderful story, thought provoking plot.
I actually teared up at the end, which is not a common response to anything for me. :smile2:

[johnbateman]

Hi, this is my first post on here. Hi to all. I absolutely loved reading 11/22/1963. I've been a fan of Stephen King's movies since my childhood and of his books from about 5 years ago and I really enjoyed it to the point where I now class it as my favourite Stephen King book so far. I personally own all 62 of his books and most of his movies and love his writing. I'm reading through all of his books at the moment, I've probably read about 20 of them in the last 5 years and the Dark Tower twice.

The book had me hooked and I easily read through it during my recent holiday.

[weezergirl]

That's interesting...I wasn't expecting the whole love story thing either, but I got so wrapped up in it I almost began to not care about the JFK assassination at all :blush: . By the end I was crying like a wee little girl (I mean I AM a girl but still...) I thought it was a pleasant surprise. I don't read romance novels or anything of that nature, so no it's not my thing, but it was such an awesome story that I fell in love with their love!

[nightflyer]

Hi, I'm a new member here, but an old reader of Stephen King. His books shorten my nights, when I'm on duty.
I agree, this book broke my heart, too. And I don’t know whether I meant it in good or bad ways. I love this part, where George/Jake comes to Jodie and falls in love with Sadie. Generally I love these times in the early sixties, when the world was less perfect than today – I know today isn’t perfect at all – but people love each other, hold together, live together, party together. I suppose they were more satisfied than today.

And I think, if I would be George, I didn’t have the strength, to go back to Now Time and leave Sadie behind, without help, without love. Okay, I would make the reset, go back in the Past and live a cosy life with my loved Sadie without another interfering with history. But would the world be the same like before, afterwards? I must confess – I’ve never been what you’d call a crying man, too – that I shed tears, when I came to the end of the book.

I didn’t agree with the end, for the first I found it terrible, dissatisfying at all.. But after rereading the finale and thinking about again – and sheding some tears again – the circle was closed. It is the perfect end. And what are forty years difference for a real love, including the memories of the past? If there is love, smallpox scars are as pretty as dimples.
Thank you Mr. King for this great novel and the big stuff to think about and learn.

[unclelouie]

I just finished the book yesterday, and I have never cried that hard in my life after finishing a book [DARK TOWER](however, I did come close at the end of DT VII when Suze and Eddie are reunited....). Yes, my heart broke too. How gut wrenching would it be to be in a love with a woman, and to have had a life with her, and then all of a sudden, in a new life, she had never even met you before.... yet you DO get to see her again, albeit she is 80 years old. It's mind blowing. It's painful. I am glad Jake and Sadie got to dance again at the end though. I cried. It was a good cry, because SK made me *feel* something.... and as humans, we need to *feel* sometimes... whether its happy, sad, or just grossed out (which King is good at as well).

[laurenonfire]

Hi all. This is my first post, and although I've been looking at this website for years, this is the first time I've actually posted on the website.

This book is one of my favorites, and I've read a great number of King books. The tie ins with history and King's other books really piqued my interests. Now, to address the original post...I feel that the love story was a beautiful part of the book. He was living in this time period, and falling in love with it, not only with Sadie. I feel like Sadie represented a part of his life he had looked for and had never been able to find. Emotion, love...all these were foreign to our protagonist. And then he found it all. In the midst of this great plot he had to change history. And he didn't know which way to turn.

The story was brilliant. I laughed, I cried, I wondered. I loved the throwback to that lovely town all us Constant Readers have came to know well...Derry. I feel like if you're a true King fan you can't help but appreciate this story. Anyway, that's all :)